Group calls for talks over Jumbo water tower

The auctioneer takes the bidding at the Jumbo auction

Sir Bob Russell bids on behalf of the Balkerne Tower Trust

Successful Paul Flatman celebrates buying Jumbo

Former owner George Braithwaite enjoys the views at the top of the tower

First published in Countywide by

A GROUP which tried and failed to buy Colchester's famous water tower has asked for talks over its future.

Chicken farmer Paul Flatman bought the Grade II* listed Jumbo at auction in London.

He won the bidding war by offering £190,000 for the iconic structure.

However, since the auction in May, no plans have been revealed for the water tower.

Now the Balkerne Tower Trust, which was set up to preserve Jumbo, has asked to meet Mr Flatman in a bid to open discussions.

For more on this story see tomorrow's Gazette and Essex County Standard.

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8:09pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

No-Instead of the Chicken farmers plans-Lets finally hear about the Balkerne Trusts alternative budget and plans for the site.
No-Instead of the Chicken farmers plans-Lets finally hear about the Balkerne Trusts alternative budget and plans for the site. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 14

8:40pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Amazing this mob are still tying to control what happens to Jumbo. They had every opportunity to outbid Paul Flatman but obviously they didn't have enough financial support and have been proven to be all mouth and no trousers!
Amazing this mob are still tying to control what happens to Jumbo. They had every opportunity to outbid Paul Flatman but obviously they didn't have enough financial support and have been proven to be all mouth and no trousers! Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 21

8:42pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
No-Instead of the Chicken farmers plans-Lets finally hear about the Balkerne Trusts alternative budget and plans for the site.
Let me make some suggestions-to try and get this started!
Whatever project is finally decided-a £3M Budget is probable.
Retaining the Caste Iron bolted panels 116ft above the ground is not feasible. A viewing platform with Red/Brown glazing to maintain the outward appearance of the iron panels is probable. A disabled friendly lift would access the viewing platform through the centre. Restaurant/Café facilities would be at the base-not on the platform.
The Budget would be 10% of the budget for First Site. Finance through the usual channels.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: No-Instead of the Chicken farmers plans-Lets finally hear about the Balkerne Trusts alternative budget and plans for the site.[/p][/quote]Let me make some suggestions-to try and get this started! Whatever project is finally decided-a £3M Budget is probable. Retaining the Caste Iron bolted panels 116ft above the ground is not feasible. A viewing platform with Red/Brown glazing to maintain the outward appearance of the iron panels is probable. A disabled friendly lift would access the viewing platform through the centre. Restaurant/Café facilities would be at the base-not on the platform. The Budget would be 10% of the budget for First Site. Finance through the usual channels. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 3

11:21pm Thu 4 Sep 14

greenbroker says...

Nothing will happen for a long time IMO.
Nothing will happen for a long time IMO. greenbroker
  • Score: 6

11:52pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Agree with "greenbroker". To change the structure will cost so much money that it is not financially viable.
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I really wonder if the present owner has sufficient spare cash as no viable business case could be made to get bank loans. I guess Jumbo will continue to be closed to the public for years before Jumbo is put up for sale again.
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Perhaps next time the Jumbo Trust might consider other options in raising funds to buy Jumbo. Donations are unlikely to reach a possible auction price over £100,000. Perhaps accepting interest free loans or offering shares might work. It would be better next time if the Jumbo Trust organised public meetings so all possible options could be considered.
Agree with "greenbroker". To change the structure will cost so much money that it is not financially viable. . I really wonder if the present owner has sufficient spare cash as no viable business case could be made to get bank loans. I guess Jumbo will continue to be closed to the public for years before Jumbo is put up for sale again. . Perhaps next time the Jumbo Trust might consider other options in raising funds to buy Jumbo. Donations are unlikely to reach a possible auction price over £100,000. Perhaps accepting interest free loans or offering shares might work. It would be better next time if the Jumbo Trust organised public meetings so all possible options could be considered. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 6

5:16am Fri 5 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
Agree with "greenbroker". To change the structure will cost so much money that it is not financially viable.
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I really wonder if the present owner has sufficient spare cash as no viable business case could be made to get bank loans. I guess Jumbo will continue to be closed to the public for years before Jumbo is put up for sale again.
.
Perhaps next time the Jumbo Trust might consider other options in raising funds to buy Jumbo. Donations are unlikely to reach a possible auction price over £100,000. Perhaps accepting interest free loans or offering shares might work. It would be better next time if the Jumbo Trust organised public meetings so all possible options could be considered.
Andy/Ive read your letters over the years and know that you always take a reasonable line.
But every time I walk past this mess from Balkerne Hill car park and hear the drip,drip drip of decay I just think whoever sorts this out wins the town at a general election.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: Agree with "greenbroker". To change the structure will cost so much money that it is not financially viable. . I really wonder if the present owner has sufficient spare cash as no viable business case could be made to get bank loans. I guess Jumbo will continue to be closed to the public for years before Jumbo is put up for sale again. . Perhaps next time the Jumbo Trust might consider other options in raising funds to buy Jumbo. Donations are unlikely to reach a possible auction price over £100,000. Perhaps accepting interest free loans or offering shares might work. It would be better next time if the Jumbo Trust organised public meetings so all possible options could be considered.[/p][/quote]Andy/Ive read your letters over the years and know that you always take a reasonable line. But every time I walk past this mess from Balkerne Hill car park and hear the drip,drip drip of decay I just think whoever sorts this out wins the town at a general election. Shrubendlad
  • Score: -1

7:49am Fri 5 Sep 14

Colonel Kurtz says...

By the time it's decided the bloody thing will be falling down on its own. Maybe that's the plan. The whole thing has been a complete disaster. No leadership or direction. Forget it. Nothing will ever happen in our lifetimes
By the time it's decided the bloody thing will be falling down on its own. Maybe that's the plan. The whole thing has been a complete disaster. No leadership or direction. Forget it. Nothing will ever happen in our lifetimes Colonel Kurtz
  • Score: 5

11:56am Fri 5 Sep 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Nothing will be happening with this for many years, if at all. What happens will depend on regime change. Furthermore. I doubt very much whether Mr Flatman is the actual owner.
Nothing will be happening with this for many years, if at all. What happens will depend on regime change. Furthermore. I doubt very much whether Mr Flatman is the actual owner. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 4

5:44pm Fri 5 Sep 14

stevedawson says...

Could become a mosque?
Could become a mosque? stevedawson
  • Score: 5

7:28pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Hamiltonandy says...

Intriguing comment from "jess jephcott". I did look online for information on the present owner and, please correct if I misread, that his company was closed down with finance problems. Another puzzling thing is the lack of previous interest by the present owner in Jumbo. I went on the first viewing day and the only visitors was myself and the Jumbo trust chairman.
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All the financial information re Jumbo rescue is available. It seems a huge gamble to buy Jumbo without having a spare million to risk on a commercial development. Only a charitable group could get volunteer support, fundraise and get national grants. All the speculators are doing is gambling on a bigger sucker to buy it off them and have no intention of actually spending a penny on Jumbo.
Intriguing comment from "jess jephcott". I did look online for information on the present owner and, please correct if I misread, that his company was closed down with finance problems. Another puzzling thing is the lack of previous interest by the present owner in Jumbo. I went on the first viewing day and the only visitors was myself and the Jumbo trust chairman. . All the financial information re Jumbo rescue is available. It seems a huge gamble to buy Jumbo without having a spare million to risk on a commercial development. Only a charitable group could get volunteer support, fundraise and get national grants. All the speculators are doing is gambling on a bigger sucker to buy it off them and have no intention of actually spending a penny on Jumbo. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Fri 5 Sep 14

BLANK SPACE says...

Still going on about this? I suggest we turn it into another charity shop. If it's one thing this town lacks, it's charity shops. Failing that, a Home Bargains or Poundland Outlet. These sort of places will attract the right people to our town.
Still going on about this? I suggest we turn it into another charity shop. If it's one thing this town lacks, it's charity shops. Failing that, a Home Bargains or Poundland Outlet. These sort of places will attract the right people to our town. BLANK SPACE
  • Score: 3

1:14am Sat 6 Sep 14

Boris says...

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
By the time it's decided the bloody thing will be falling down on its own. Maybe that's the plan. The whole thing has been a complete disaster. No leadership or direction. Forget it. Nothing will ever happen in our lifetimes
Jumbo will certainly not fall down in yoiur lifetime or mine. It withstood the great earthquake of 1884. It will stand for at least the next 500 years, and probably a lot longer. Obviously i agree with you that its owners in recent years have been totally irresponsible. So indeed have CBC, who have failed to ensure that this precious listed building is properly maintained.
[quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: By the time it's decided the bloody thing will be falling down on its own. Maybe that's the plan. The whole thing has been a complete disaster. No leadership or direction. Forget it. Nothing will ever happen in our lifetimes[/p][/quote]Jumbo will certainly not fall down in yoiur lifetime or mine. It withstood the great earthquake of 1884. It will stand for at least the next 500 years, and probably a lot longer. Obviously i agree with you that its owners in recent years have been totally irresponsible. So indeed have CBC, who have failed to ensure that this precious listed building is properly maintained. Boris
  • Score: -3

11:24am Sat 6 Sep 14

William George says...

Boris wrote:
Colonel Kurtz wrote:
By the time it's decided the bloody thing will be falling down on its own. Maybe that's the plan. The whole thing has been a complete disaster. No leadership or direction. Forget it. Nothing will ever happen in our lifetimes
Jumbo will certainly not fall down in yoiur lifetime or mine. It withstood the great earthquake of 1884. It will stand for at least the next 500 years, and probably a lot longer. Obviously i agree with you that its owners in recent years have been totally irresponsible. So indeed have CBC, who have failed to ensure that this precious listed building is properly maintained.
Jumbo Water Tower is far stronger to last far longer than the present new houses that are being badly and too speedily built here. In just a few years time from now the structure of them will need much of repairs especially in repointing of them and will become necessary. Are the developers thinking enough about that?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colonel Kurtz[/bold] wrote: By the time it's decided the bloody thing will be falling down on its own. Maybe that's the plan. The whole thing has been a complete disaster. No leadership or direction. Forget it. Nothing will ever happen in our lifetimes[/p][/quote]Jumbo will certainly not fall down in yoiur lifetime or mine. It withstood the great earthquake of 1884. It will stand for at least the next 500 years, and probably a lot longer. Obviously i agree with you that its owners in recent years have been totally irresponsible. So indeed have CBC, who have failed to ensure that this precious listed building is properly maintained.[/p][/quote]Jumbo Water Tower is far stronger to last far longer than the present new houses that are being badly and too speedily built here. In just a few years time from now the structure of them will need much of repairs especially in repointing of them and will become necessary. Are the developers thinking enough about that? William George
  • Score: 6

2:14pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

Why are the members of the Balkerne Trust so terrified about telling the town/the world about their vision for the future use of this building?
Its not the Sergeants Mess-out of site out of mind.
It dominates the Colchester skyline and would attract grants and loans galore
I followed every inch of Wendy Bradings "feeds" for both the Planning Meeting and the Auction-to say that here was a slight leaning to the yellow is an understatement.
The Balkerne Trust was created years ago-you must have some idea what you want- not just what you don't want.
Whats the reply?-"AS we don't own it- we cant say".
A classic Lib Dem DONT KNOW.
BE BRAVE-LETS HEAR THE VISION!!!!!
Why are the members of the Balkerne Trust so terrified about telling the town/the world about their vision for the future use of this building? Its not the Sergeants Mess-out of site out of mind. It dominates the Colchester skyline and would attract grants and loans galore I followed every inch of Wendy Bradings "feeds" for both the Planning Meeting and the Auction-to say that here was a slight leaning to the yellow is an understatement. The Balkerne Trust was created years ago-you must have some idea what you want- not just what you don't want. Whats the reply?-"AS we don't own it- we cant say". A classic Lib Dem DONT KNOW. BE BRAVE-LETS HEAR THE VISION!!!!! Shrubendlad
  • Score: 5

2:32pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

Let me answer my own question.
The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign.
The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers.
And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing.
Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time.
So Plan B I think Wendy.
Let me answer my own question. The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign. The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers. And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing. Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time. So Plan B I think Wendy. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 2

6:57pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Jess Jephcott says...

The owner knows exactly what he is doing. Don't concern yourselves. The council will not force him to repair it as that would set a precedent that would backfire on them. This will all come to a head before too long and then the owner will get what he wants on his terms. Wait and see. As for the Balkerne Trust, sadly all they have is a dream - no money.
The owner knows exactly what he is doing. Don't concern yourselves. The council will not force him to repair it as that would set a precedent that would backfire on them. This will all come to a head before too long and then the owner will get what he wants on his terms. Wait and see. As for the Balkerne Trust, sadly all they have is a dream - no money. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 2

11:05pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Boris says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Let me answer my own question.
The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign.
The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers.
And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing.
Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time.
So Plan B I think Wendy.
Let me answer your question, Shrubendlad.
Google "save jumbo" and click on the Balkerne Tower Trust website. Then spend 2 to 3 hours learning all about Jumbo. Look in particular at the Manifesto, the Options Appraisal and the Business Plan.
After you have digested all that, stop telling BTT that it doesn't know what it wants.
As for the Tories, again you have got it wrong. Their parliamentary candidate, Will Quince, recently had a half-page advert in the Gazette, implying that it is official Tory policy locally to encourage commercial development of Jumbo.
And i can assure you that not one of the trustees belongs to any political party. if the Lib dems want to portray themselves in a favourable light by defending Jumbo, fine. But BTT is nothing to do with the Lib Dems.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Let me answer my own question. The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign. The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers. And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing. Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time. So Plan B I think Wendy.[/p][/quote]Let me answer your question, Shrubendlad. Google "save jumbo" and click on the Balkerne Tower Trust website. Then spend 2 to 3 hours learning all about Jumbo. Look in particular at the Manifesto, the Options Appraisal and the Business Plan. After you have digested all that, stop telling BTT that it doesn't know what it wants. As for the Tories, again you have got it wrong. Their parliamentary candidate, Will Quince, recently had a half-page advert in the Gazette, implying that it is official Tory policy locally to encourage commercial development of Jumbo. And i can assure you that not one of the trustees belongs to any political party. if the Lib dems want to portray themselves in a favourable light by defending Jumbo, fine. But BTT is nothing to do with the Lib Dems. Boris
  • Score: 1

11:59pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Boris wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
Let me answer my own question.
The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign.
The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers.
And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing.
Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time.
So Plan B I think Wendy.
Let me answer your question, Shrubendlad.
Google "save jumbo" and click on the Balkerne Tower Trust website. Then spend 2 to 3 hours learning all about Jumbo. Look in particular at the Manifesto, the Options Appraisal and the Business Plan.
After you have digested all that, stop telling BTT that it doesn't know what it wants.
As for the Tories, again you have got it wrong. Their parliamentary candidate, Will Quince, recently had a half-page advert in the Gazette, implying that it is official Tory policy locally to encourage commercial development of Jumbo.
And i can assure you that not one of the trustees belongs to any political party. if the Lib dems want to portray themselves in a favourable light by defending Jumbo, fine. But BTT is nothing to do with the Lib Dems.
Excuse me Boris my old mate, but I think, I. I may be wrong, but don't the lib dem's, and the yellow breasted budgie (as in - I voted against knife crime law), have a fairly substantial record on preserving that rotting pile of useless plumbing, as is, no matter what the reality is?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Let me answer my own question. The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign. The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers. And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing. Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time. So Plan B I think Wendy.[/p][/quote]Let me answer your question, Shrubendlad. Google "save jumbo" and click on the Balkerne Tower Trust website. Then spend 2 to 3 hours learning all about Jumbo. Look in particular at the Manifesto, the Options Appraisal and the Business Plan. After you have digested all that, stop telling BTT that it doesn't know what it wants. As for the Tories, again you have got it wrong. Their parliamentary candidate, Will Quince, recently had a half-page advert in the Gazette, implying that it is official Tory policy locally to encourage commercial development of Jumbo. And i can assure you that not one of the trustees belongs to any political party. if the Lib dems want to portray themselves in a favourable light by defending Jumbo, fine. But BTT is nothing to do with the Lib Dems.[/p][/quote]Excuse me Boris my old mate, but I think, I. I may be wrong, but don't the lib dem's, and the yellow breasted budgie (as in - I voted against knife crime law), have a fairly substantial record on preserving that rotting pile of useless plumbing, as is, no matter what the reality is? Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -3

8:55pm Mon 8 Sep 14

DL1970 says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
Amazing this mob are still tying to control what happens to Jumbo. They had every opportunity to outbid Paul Flatman but obviously they didn't have enough financial support and have been proven to be all mouth and no trousers!
I'd like to see you raise 40 grand in less than one month.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: Amazing this mob are still tying to control what happens to Jumbo. They had every opportunity to outbid Paul Flatman but obviously they didn't have enough financial support and have been proven to be all mouth and no trousers![/p][/quote]I'd like to see you raise 40 grand in less than one month. DL1970
  • Score: 4

8:56pm Mon 8 Sep 14

DL1970 says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
No-Instead of the Chicken farmers plans-Lets finally hear about the Balkerne Trusts alternative budget and plans for the site.
Why don't you try visiting their website and reading the manifesto, options appraisal and business plan?
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: No-Instead of the Chicken farmers plans-Lets finally hear about the Balkerne Trusts alternative budget and plans for the site.[/p][/quote]Why don't you try visiting their website and reading the manifesto, options appraisal and business plan? DL1970
  • Score: 4

9:09pm Mon 8 Sep 14

DL1970 says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
The owner knows exactly what he is doing. Don't concern yourselves. The council will not force him to repair it as that would set a precedent that would backfire on them. This will all come to a head before too long and then the owner will get what he wants on his terms. Wait and see. As for the Balkerne Trust, sadly all they have is a dream - no money.
Just like most of the other preservation projects including preserved railways started as a dream with no money. There is an outstanding Urgent Works Notice on the tower at the moment. I trust that Mr Cairns from the Planning Dept will pursue the matter.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: The owner knows exactly what he is doing. Don't concern yourselves. The council will not force him to repair it as that would set a precedent that would backfire on them. This will all come to a head before too long and then the owner will get what he wants on his terms. Wait and see. As for the Balkerne Trust, sadly all they have is a dream - no money.[/p][/quote]Just like most of the other preservation projects including preserved railways started as a dream with no money. There is an outstanding Urgent Works Notice on the tower at the moment. I trust that Mr Cairns from the Planning Dept will pursue the matter. DL1970
  • Score: 4

12:36am Tue 9 Sep 14

Boris says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
Boris wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
Let me answer my own question.
The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign.
The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers.
And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing.
Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time.
So Plan B I think Wendy.
Let me answer your question, Shrubendlad.
Google "save jumbo" and click on the Balkerne Tower Trust website. Then spend 2 to 3 hours learning all about Jumbo. Look in particular at the Manifesto, the Options Appraisal and the Business Plan.
After you have digested all that, stop telling BTT that it doesn't know what it wants.
As for the Tories, again you have got it wrong. Their parliamentary candidate, Will Quince, recently had a half-page advert in the Gazette, implying that it is official Tory policy locally to encourage commercial development of Jumbo.
And i can assure you that not one of the trustees belongs to any political party. if the Lib dems want to portray themselves in a favourable light by defending Jumbo, fine. But BTT is nothing to do with the Lib Dems.
Excuse me Boris my old mate, but I think, I. I may be wrong, but don't the lib dem's, and the yellow breasted budgie (as in - I voted against knife crime law), have a fairly substantial record on preserving that rotting pile of useless plumbing, as is, no matter what the reality is?
Angry, of course BTT is grateful for the support of discerning councillors of various parties, who have a better understanding than you of what is worth preserving of our heritage. They also, unlike your Tory friends, have due regard to the law of the land, as it applies to listed buildings.
As for yellow budgies, they live in Carrow Road, Norwich. I do not see their relevance to this discussion.
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Let me answer my own question. The Lib Dems want the Water Tower to be a rerun of their 2009/2010 election campaign. The gallant little liberals battling against those nasty tory developers. And the stupid conservatives campaign managers fell slap bang into the trap by sticking banners on the **** thing. Well guess what? The Tories will not touch this issue with a barge pole this time. So Plan B I think Wendy.[/p][/quote]Let me answer your question, Shrubendlad. Google "save jumbo" and click on the Balkerne Tower Trust website. Then spend 2 to 3 hours learning all about Jumbo. Look in particular at the Manifesto, the Options Appraisal and the Business Plan. After you have digested all that, stop telling BTT that it doesn't know what it wants. As for the Tories, again you have got it wrong. Their parliamentary candidate, Will Quince, recently had a half-page advert in the Gazette, implying that it is official Tory policy locally to encourage commercial development of Jumbo. And i can assure you that not one of the trustees belongs to any political party. if the Lib dems want to portray themselves in a favourable light by defending Jumbo, fine. But BTT is nothing to do with the Lib Dems.[/p][/quote]Excuse me Boris my old mate, but I think, I. I may be wrong, but don't the lib dem's, and the yellow breasted budgie (as in - I voted against knife crime law), have a fairly substantial record on preserving that rotting pile of useless plumbing, as is, no matter what the reality is?[/p][/quote]Angry, of course BTT is grateful for the support of discerning councillors of various parties, who have a better understanding than you of what is worth preserving of our heritage. They also, unlike your Tory friends, have due regard to the law of the land, as it applies to listed buildings. As for yellow budgies, they live in Carrow Road, Norwich. I do not see their relevance to this discussion. Boris
  • Score: 6

12:33pm Tue 9 Sep 14

Jess Jephcott says...

They're canaries not budgies Boris.
They're canaries not budgies Boris. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 2

3:39pm Tue 9 Sep 14

William George says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
They're canaries not budgies Boris.
I think Jess Jephcott you would know another reason to make them not relevant is they are cage birds, and they never travel that distant. Which goes to show budgies or canaries is another reason to be irrelevant too. Boris could tell you that if you asked him perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: They're canaries not budgies Boris.[/p][/quote]I think Jess Jephcott you would know another reason to make them not relevant is they are cage birds, and they never travel that distant. Which goes to show budgies or canaries is another reason to be irrelevant too. Boris could tell you that if you asked him perhaps. William George
  • Score: 4

1:03am Wed 10 Sep 14

Boris says...

William George wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
They're canaries not budgies Boris.
I think Jess Jephcott you would know another reason to make them not relevant is they are cage birds, and they never travel that distant. Which goes to show budgies or canaries is another reason to be irrelevant too. Boris could tell you that if you asked him perhaps.
Thanks William. For Jess's benefit, NCFC supporters have been called Budgies ever since Delia Smith stole Paul Lambert. I have seen Jess at the Breezeblock Palace in his mediaeval fancy dress but I understand he does not much care for football, hence his use of the old term.
[quote][p][bold]William George[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: They're canaries not budgies Boris.[/p][/quote]I think Jess Jephcott you would know another reason to make them not relevant is they are cage birds, and they never travel that distant. Which goes to show budgies or canaries is another reason to be irrelevant too. Boris could tell you that if you asked him perhaps.[/p][/quote]Thanks William. For Jess's benefit, NCFC supporters have been called Budgies ever since Delia Smith stole Paul Lambert. I have seen Jess at the Breezeblock Palace in his mediaeval fancy dress but I understand he does not much care for football, hence his use of the old term. Boris
  • Score: 3

1:16am Wed 10 Sep 14

Boris says...

Boris wrote:
William George wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
They're canaries not budgies Boris.
I think Jess Jephcott you would know another reason to make them not relevant is they are cage birds, and they never travel that distant. Which goes to show budgies or canaries is another reason to be irrelevant too. Boris could tell you that if you asked him perhaps.
Thanks William. For Jess's benefit, NCFC supporters have been called Budgies ever since Delia Smith stole Paul Lambert. I have seen Jess at the Breezeblock Palace in his mediaeval fancy dress but I understand he does not much care for football, hence his use of the old term.
Anyway I agree with you, William, that it is irrelevant what cage bird we compare the Carrow Road people to. The real point is that I was trying to make Angry say clearly what he meant, but it seems he is not bothering with this thread any longer. I'll take that as meaning that he admits defeat.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]William George[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: They're canaries not budgies Boris.[/p][/quote]I think Jess Jephcott you would know another reason to make them not relevant is they are cage birds, and they never travel that distant. Which goes to show budgies or canaries is another reason to be irrelevant too. Boris could tell you that if you asked him perhaps.[/p][/quote]Thanks William. For Jess's benefit, NCFC supporters have been called Budgies ever since Delia Smith stole Paul Lambert. I have seen Jess at the Breezeblock Palace in his mediaeval fancy dress but I understand he does not much care for football, hence his use of the old term.[/p][/quote]Anyway I agree with you, William, that it is irrelevant what cage bird we compare the Carrow Road people to. The real point is that I was trying to make Angry say clearly what he meant, but it seems he is not bothering with this thread any longer. I'll take that as meaning that he admits defeat. Boris
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