Ukip 'fights back' over race claims

Maldon and Burnham Standard: Ukip leader Nigel Farage launches the party's billboard campaign for the Euro-elections in Dover Ukip leader Nigel Farage launches the party's billboard campaign for the Euro-elections in Dover

Ukip will adopt a different approach to tackling claims it is racist with a new election campaign strategy featuring black and ethnic minority candidates this week, Nigel Farage said.

The Ukip leader insisted his party would get on the front foot as it fights against claims of racism, as a poll showed some 35% of people felt while the party is not racist, it "does seem to attract some candidates or supporters with racist, extreme or odd views".

More than a quarter of those polled by YouGov said Ukip was a party with "racist views" and "many racist members".

Addressing the claims, Mr Farage said: "Not only am I adamant we are a non-racist party, this week I am going to fight back against it. You will see our election address for the local elections this year and you will see a lot of black, ethnic minority candidates who are proudly standing for Ukip.

"I am going to approach this differently in future."

He added: "I have never believed in the past in positive discrimination, I have believed in treating everybody equally. I have never gone for all female shortlists or whatever.

"But to see what is written every day, describing my party as being racist and homophobic, we will deal with that head-on this week."

Challenged on his views on Romania, Mr Farage said: "If a whole load of Romanian men moved in next door to you, would you be concerned about it? Perhaps you would, yes.

"Because you know, that what has actually happened is we have opened up the doors to countries that have not recovered from communism and I'm afraid it has become a gateway for organised crime - everybody knows that, no-one dares say it."

Mr Farage said he wanted a points-based system for immigration to judge on quality as well as quantity.

Mr Farage acknowledged in the interview, on the BBC One Andrew Marr programme, the party had "made mistakes" in its vetting of members and candidates, highlighting the membership form which tells new recruits the party is not extremist or racist.

But he said all parties have problems with some individual members.

Mr Farage said: "Some people have got through, we should have weeded more of them out - however when you look at the fact we have nearly 2,500 people standing and a handful cause embarrassment, if you looked at the other parties, they haven't just said bad things.

"There was a Liberal Democrat last week, a serving councillor, convicted of racially aggravated assault and that does not make the national news."

In the new polling, Ukip has a three-point lead for this month's European election - but most people think the party contains racists, according to an opinion poll.

Mr Farage's party is on 29%, ahead of Labour on 26%, the Conservatives on 23% and Liberal Democrats on 10%.

But 27% of those surveyed thought Ukip is a party with "racist views" and "many racist members", while 35% thought that, while the party is not racist, it "does seem to attract some candidates or supporters with racist, extreme or odd views".

Some 26% said Ukip is not racist and their "more controversial candidates are just saying the things ordinary people actually think".

The poll came as Ukip was forced to suspend another would-be councillor for expressing extreme views on Twitter.

Harry Perry posted comments on Twitter describing Prime Minister David Cameron as a "gay-loving nutcase", calling Muslims "devil's kids" and homosexuality "an abomination before God".

For the 2015 contest Labour has a three-point lead on 36% over the Conservatives on 33%, with Ukip on 15% ahead of the Lib Dems on 10%.

In response to the threat from Ukip, Mr Cameron has made his commitment to a referendum on Europe a red line issue for any government he might lead after 2015.

The Prime Minister told the Sunday Express the British people deserve "one last go" to get a Europe that that suits them.

He dismissed Ukip's "throw in the towel" approach, instead insisting that he would be able to renegotiate a better deal with Brussels before putting it to a public vote before the end of 2017.

He said: "Other members do not want to see us leave because we bring an enormous amount to the EU, to the economy and policy.

"I'm saying to them that, if you want Britain to stay, there are changes we are going to have to make because, frankly, consent for membership to this organisation is wafer-thin."

:: YouGov polled 1,844 British adults between April 30 and May 1.

Conservative Party Chairman Grant Shapps told the Sky News Murnaghan programme it was important to differentiate between Ukip members and candidates, and the people who vote for the party.

He said: "Every party has to manage who their candidates are, I think it is pretty apparent by this stage Ukip have not done that, they have a remarkable string of individual circumstances that add up to something bigger, which does lead you to have concerns about some of the people involved in that party.

"You don't have to look far to see day in, day out, serious allegations being made which turn out to be true. In the end - and I want to make a very clear distinction between that, what motivates the leadership or others and people who vote for them - I think in the end people should see what motivates the party."

Liberal Democrat deputy leader Sir Malcolm Bruce said it would be "disappointing" for both the party and Britain if its MEPs were wiped out at the election.

He told BBC1's Sunday Politics: "It would be disappointing, not least because we have the most hard-working MEPs of all the British MEPs in terms of attendance and participation.

"The worry we have is that people think the European elections aren't important and that the European Parliament is not important.

"Yet the European Parliament takes decisions that affect us and the people who are working hardest to ensure that British national interests are defended in Europe have been Liberal Democrats.

"So it would be disappointing not just for the Liberal Democrats but for Britain."

He confirmed that the Lib Dems still believed that the UK should adopt the euro in the long term if it becomes "one of the world's leading currencies".

But he added: "We are ruling out Britain joining in the foreseeable future."

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8:17am Sun 4 May 14

Chippy70 says...

Am I being racist for wanting control of our country back ? If yes then so be it. To be honest you can call me racist or whatever because I just dont care any more.
Am I being racist for wanting control of our country back ? If yes then so be it. To be honest you can call me racist or whatever because I just dont care any more. Chippy70
  • Score: 16

8:54am Sun 4 May 14

cj07589 says...

Chippy70 wrote:
Am I being racist for wanting control of our country back ? If yes then so be it. To be honest you can call me racist or whatever because I just dont care any more.
No there is nothing wrong in a democratic country to have the right to decide your future this is what UKIP provides certainty over having a choice on Europe. I struggle to think of any benefits in belonging to EU club, until someone can put a decent argument for the continued membership to the corrupt EU gravy train I will be voting UKIP. The other three shyster parties offer more of the same with nothing new, haven't we learnt from all those mistakes yet? Milliband wants to reinstall communism by controlling free market sectors such energy and housing whilst denying a referendum.

Keep calm folks time is up for the establishment cronies and they know it, we can both wait for the usual bigoted anti-freedom of speech, anti-democratic bullies to post their usual intolerant holier than thou branding and mud slugging because they demand everybody conforms to their warped dictatorial agenda. It's time to decide and time for a choice on the EU!
[quote][p][bold]Chippy70[/bold] wrote: Am I being racist for wanting control of our country back ? If yes then so be it. To be honest you can call me racist or whatever because I just dont care any more.[/p][/quote]No there is nothing wrong in a democratic country to have the right to decide your future this is what UKIP provides certainty over having a choice on Europe. I struggle to think of any benefits in belonging to EU club, until someone can put a decent argument for the continued membership to the corrupt EU gravy train I will be voting UKIP. The other three shyster parties offer more of the same with nothing new, haven't we learnt from all those mistakes yet? Milliband wants to reinstall communism by controlling free market sectors such energy and housing whilst denying a referendum. Keep calm folks time is up for the establishment cronies and they know it, we can both wait for the usual bigoted anti-freedom of speech, anti-democratic bullies to post their usual intolerant holier than thou branding and mud slugging because they demand everybody conforms to their warped dictatorial agenda. It's time to decide and time for a choice on the EU! cj07589
  • Score: 15

9:24am Sun 4 May 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I think Ukip does contain more than its fair share of racists who have infiltrated the party, but to be fair so do the three mainstream parties, too. One only has to look at the newspaper headlines over the last few years to find Conservative, Lib Dem and Labour politicians who have made some blatantly racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic and not to mention sexist comments. So how, exactly, are the big three any better?

In fact, to qualify the opinion expressed here, I did some quick Google research to find out how many MPs in Britain who are openly transgender. I actually found only one - Nikki Sinclaire - and although she left the party in disgust Ukip seem to be the only ones who'd even so much as tolerate a transgender MP. Perhaps the slick, 100 per cent choreographed LibLabCon mainstream do not want to be associated with us trans people as they're afraid it will lose them votes amongst their new petit bourgeois target audience?

So, in conclusion, the LibLabCon can be just as bigoted but they hide it beneath a corporatized veneer of sharp business suits and cosmetically-enhance
d smiles. One thing's for sure, they're certainly don't seem to be interested in the working class anymore.
I think Ukip does contain more than its fair share of racists who have infiltrated the party, but to be fair so do the three mainstream parties, too. One only has to look at the newspaper headlines over the last few years to find Conservative, Lib Dem and Labour politicians who have made some blatantly racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic and not to mention sexist comments. So how, exactly, are the big three any better? In fact, to qualify the opinion expressed here, I did some quick Google research to find out how many MPs in Britain who are openly transgender. I actually found only one - Nikki Sinclaire - and although she left the party in disgust Ukip seem to be the only ones who'd even so much as tolerate a transgender MP. Perhaps the slick, 100 per cent choreographed LibLabCon mainstream do not want to be associated with us trans people as they're afraid it will lose them votes amongst their new petit bourgeois target audience? So, in conclusion, the LibLabCon can be just as bigoted but they hide it beneath a corporatized veneer of sharp business suits and cosmetically-enhance d smiles. One thing's for sure, they're certainly don't seem to be interested in the working class anymore. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 9

9:34am Sun 4 May 14

High Treason says...

I believe that many in the LibLabCon set up are of the same opinion and would be called racist if they gave their honest opinions. They do not because they would be thrown out of the parties and lose their income. I am not bothered at being called racist. I am concerned that this country is overcrowded and being destroyed by ghettos of immigrants. We have thousands living in huts and sheds in peoples back gardens in London. No wonder house prices are so high, Net UK migration increased to 212,000 in the year to September 2013.
How many homes does that take away from the UK born and bred and that is for 1 year.
I believe that many in the LibLabCon set up are of the same opinion and would be called racist if they gave their honest opinions. They do not because they would be thrown out of the parties and lose their income. I am not bothered at being called racist. I am concerned that this country is overcrowded and being destroyed by ghettos of immigrants. We have thousands living in huts and sheds in peoples back gardens in London. No wonder house prices are so high, Net UK migration increased to 212,000 in the year to September 2013. How many homes does that take away from the UK born and bred and that is for 1 year. High Treason
  • Score: 10

9:54am Sun 4 May 14

Magor says...

Plenty of haters in the Labour party from anti-white to anti-men.
Plenty of haters in the Labour party from anti-white to anti-men. Magor
  • Score: 9

10:07am Sun 4 May 14

RM says...

LibLabCon & their cronies using the 'r' word as a slur just shows how running scared they are. Is it racist to want to control your country's borders? To only want immigrants with skills the country needs? Immigrants who are prepared to work for a better life for them & their families rather than signing up for the benefits system as soon as possible? If so, then I'm a racist but so are the governments of Canada, Australia & the USA all of which only accept certain immigrants. And yes, I'll be voting for Ukip on May 22 - and probably next year too. The current big three have shown that they are only interested in lining their own pockets while sucking up to an unaccountable, undemocratic dictatorship in Brussels. Enough is enough.
LibLabCon & their cronies using the 'r' word as a slur just shows how running scared they are. Is it racist to want to control your country's borders? To only want immigrants with skills the country needs? Immigrants who are prepared to work for a better life for them & their families rather than signing up for the benefits system as soon as possible? If so, then I'm a racist but so are the governments of Canada, Australia & the USA all of which only accept certain immigrants. And yes, I'll be voting for Ukip on May 22 - and probably next year too. The current big three have shown that they are only interested in lining their own pockets while sucking up to an unaccountable, undemocratic dictatorship in Brussels. Enough is enough. RM
  • Score: 5

10:47am Sun 4 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

UKIP's immigration policy is, broadly speaking, as follows:

If you have skills and qualifications that will be of benefit to the United Kingdom, irrespective of your race, colour, religion or nationality, then you are welcome to move to, and settle in, the UK.

Would some one please explain to me in what way is this even remotely racist?
UKIP's immigration policy is, broadly speaking, as follows: If you have skills and qualifications that will be of benefit to the United Kingdom, irrespective of your race, colour, religion or nationality, then you are welcome to move to, and settle in, the UK. Would some one please explain to me in what way is this even remotely racist? Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 6

11:01am Sun 4 May 14

Viva Trowvegas says...

Nothing wrong with being politically incorrect in these days of vanilla politicians. Bring back a few mavericks and maybe that'll give Britain the kick up the backside it deserves. Keep on rattling those cages Nigel...
Nothing wrong with being politically incorrect in these days of vanilla politicians. Bring back a few mavericks and maybe that'll give Britain the kick up the backside it deserves. Keep on rattling those cages Nigel... Viva Trowvegas
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Sun 4 May 14

Pobinr says...

Please watch this from 21 Mins in for some Farage common sense >
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/episode/b04
3bpq8/The_Andrew_Mar
r_Show_04_05_2014/
Please watch this from 21 Mins in for some Farage common sense > http://www.bbc.co.uk /iplayer/episode/b04 3bpq8/The_Andrew_Mar r_Show_04_05_2014/ Pobinr
  • Score: 3

5:16pm Sun 4 May 14

MSG says...

I don't like being called a racisit because I am going to vote UKIP on the historic day of 22nd May when we start to get our country back. Especially by the Conservatives who are acting on instructions of an advisor from Australia the Labour Party who are under the advice of an American. Can they both not find a suitable UK advisor ? or, is it that both parties hate the UK and its own people ?

Get rid of the anti-British, pro-uncontrolled immigration, pro-EU LIBLABCON and vote UKIP .
I don't like being called a racisit because I am going to vote UKIP on the historic day of 22nd May when we start to get our country back. Especially by the Conservatives who are acting on instructions of an advisor from Australia the Labour Party who are under the advice of an American. Can they both not find a suitable UK advisor ? or, is it that both parties hate the UK and its own people ? Get rid of the anti-British, pro-uncontrolled immigration, pro-EU LIBLABCON and vote UKIP . MSG
  • Score: 9

8:09pm Sun 4 May 14

welshmen says...

The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Sun 4 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
The BNP's Immigration Policy reads like something which would not have been out of place in out of place in Adolf Hitler's Nuremberg Laws speech.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fight a fairly major war to protect the world from policies such as these?

The BNP are nothing more or less than a two bit little fascist party who the British public largely, and quite rightly, find quite repugnant.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]The BNP's Immigration Policy reads like something which would not have been out of place in out of place in Adolf Hitler's Nuremberg Laws speech. Now correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fight a fairly major war to protect the world from policies such as these? The BNP are nothing more or less than a two bit little fascist party who the British public largely, and quite rightly, find quite repugnant. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Sun 4 May 14

cj07589 says...

welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP. cj07589
  • Score: -1

8:57am Mon 5 May 14

Chippy70 says...

welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
Oooppsss,!,, so sorry I accidentaly caught the thumb down..
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]Oooppsss,!,, so sorry I accidentaly caught the thumb down.. Chippy70
  • Score: -1

3:33pm Mon 5 May 14

welshmen says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
The BNP's Immigration Policy reads like something which would not have been out of place in out of place in Adolf Hitler's Nuremberg Laws speech.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fight a fairly major war to protect the world from policies such as these?

The BNP are nothing more or less than a two bit little fascist party who the British public largely, and quite rightly, find quite repugnant.
What's Fascist about this?

Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally:
Deport al those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British:
Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate:
Offer generous grants to those of foreign decent resident here who wish to leave permanently:
Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases:
Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain:

Grants for immigrants going back to their home lands has been going for decades,
The British National Party promote the Royals and Democracy unlike the Government we have now, I don't want my Countries British identity to disappear with all Cultures from every where, I didn't vote for it and I would fight to stop it same as my Grandfather did, you are obviously happy for our Country to be Colonised by everybody with a foreign language and culture, Your Labour Government have declared they got immigration wrong or are you Progressive Liberal who want this Countries Natives replaced with foreign immigrants, we have aright to remain the majority in our own Country, according to the UN charter, it's you that's a little two bit Nazi and racist, racist against you own Country men, that's if your not an immigrant as you appear to be, your also a repugnant in your attitude, brain washed by the BBC and the Guardian, the left is always the way to go crap, the British National Party are a legal British Political Party, with two Mep's

Answer these few: Q
You want our Soldiers to fight foreign wars that don't concern this Country,?
You want the spread of Sharia Law into the British Common Law,?
You want more immigration from third world countries,?
You want to stay in the EU, with all their peoples allowed to come and live here,?
Your happy to have a bunch of foreigners rule our Country just like your mate Adolf wanted to do,?

You are like most moaners, take your blinkers off look for your self, don't rely on the BBC or the Guardian Liberal left Media to persuade you to vote Tory, Ukip are the Party, Ukip will get this country back from foreign rule....
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]The BNP's Immigration Policy reads like something which would not have been out of place in out of place in Adolf Hitler's Nuremberg Laws speech. Now correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fight a fairly major war to protect the world from policies such as these? The BNP are nothing more or less than a two bit little fascist party who the British public largely, and quite rightly, find quite repugnant.[/p][/quote]What's Fascist about this? Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally: Deport al those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British: Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate: Offer generous grants to those of foreign decent resident here who wish to leave permanently: Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases: Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain: Grants for immigrants going back to their home lands has been going for decades, The British National Party promote the Royals and Democracy unlike the Government we have now, I don't want my Countries British identity to disappear with all Cultures from every where, I didn't vote for it and I would fight to stop it same as my Grandfather did, you are obviously happy for our Country to be Colonised by everybody with a foreign language and culture, Your Labour Government have declared they got immigration wrong or are you Progressive Liberal who want this Countries Natives replaced with foreign immigrants, we have aright to remain the majority in our own Country, according to the UN charter, it's you that's a little two bit Nazi and racist, racist against you own Country men, that's if your not an immigrant as you appear to be, your also a repugnant in your attitude, brain washed by the BBC and the Guardian, the left is always the way to go crap, the British National Party are a legal British Political Party, with two Mep's Answer these few: Q You want our Soldiers to fight foreign wars that don't concern this Country,? You want the spread of Sharia Law into the British Common Law,? You want more immigration from third world countries,? You want to stay in the EU, with all their peoples allowed to come and live here,? Your happy to have a bunch of foreigners rule our Country just like your mate Adolf wanted to do,? You are like most moaners, take your blinkers off look for your self, don't rely on the BBC or the Guardian Liberal left Media to persuade you to vote Tory, Ukip are the Party, Ukip will get this country back from foreign rule.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

3:42pm Mon 5 May 14

welshmen says...

cj07589 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.
"Clearly a vested interest troll,"
you want to came and say that to my face big man? or are you the troll, or Coward....
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.[/p][/quote]"Clearly a vested interest troll," you want to came and say that to my face big man? or are you the troll, or Coward.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Mon 5 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

welshmen wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.
"Clearly a vested interest troll,"
you want to came and say that to my face big man? or are you the troll, or Coward....
And there we have it, the reaction of the fascist, someone disagrees and so we have the inferred threat of violence, and in this instance made from behind the veil of a nom de plume, the mark of a true fascist coward.

Let me tell you a little about myself "Welshman", I Served in the Armed forces for 20 years, I served in conflicts including Gulf 1, Bosnia and Afgahnistan, I was born in Wales and am a proud Brit, my ancestors have served this country in every war since the War of Jacobs Ear, some have lost their lives and some have been wounded.

I am also a UKIPer and I can tell you, without reservation or doubt, that you and your views are NOT welcome in our party and never will be. If you manage to join, we will find you out and you will be expelled.

Finally, to save you the bother of threatening me as well I am more than happy to debate you on any public platform you wish to arrange and show you up for the fascist you, and your BNP comrades, are.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.[/p][/quote]"Clearly a vested interest troll," you want to came and say that to my face big man? or are you the troll, or Coward....[/p][/quote]And there we have it, the reaction of the fascist, someone disagrees and so we have the inferred threat of violence, and in this instance made from behind the veil of a nom de plume, the mark of a true fascist coward. Let me tell you a little about myself "Welshman", I Served in the Armed forces for 20 years, I served in conflicts including Gulf 1, Bosnia and Afgahnistan, I was born in Wales and am a proud Brit, my ancestors have served this country in every war since the War of Jacobs Ear, some have lost their lives and some have been wounded. I am also a UKIPer and I can tell you, without reservation or doubt, that you and your views are NOT welcome in our party and never will be. If you manage to join, we will find you out and you will be expelled. Finally, to save you the bother of threatening me as well I am more than happy to debate you on any public platform you wish to arrange and show you up for the fascist you, and your BNP comrades, are. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Mon 5 May 14

welshmen says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
welshmen wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.
"Clearly a vested interest troll,"
you want to came and say that to my face big man? or are you the troll, or Coward....
And there we have it, the reaction of the fascist, someone disagrees and so we have the inferred threat of violence, and in this instance made from behind the veil of a nom de plume, the mark of a true fascist coward.

Let me tell you a little about myself "Welshman", I Served in the Armed forces for 20 years, I served in conflicts including Gulf 1, Bosnia and Afgahnistan, I was born in Wales and am a proud Brit, my ancestors have served this country in every war since the War of Jacobs Ear, some have lost their lives and some have been wounded.

I am also a UKIPer and I can tell you, without reservation or doubt, that you and your views are NOT welcome in our party and never will be. If you manage to join, we will find you out and you will be expelled.

Finally, to save you the bother of threatening me as well I am more than happy to debate you on any public platform you wish to arrange and show you up for the fascist you, and your BNP comrades, are.
crossbenchtary:

Why can't you Answer my post, or are you pro all I have put down, I guess you are.... Also I wouldn't join UKIP but I will vote for them, you want a debate tell me where and when or are you the coward, I don't like being called something I am not. and I will stand up for my self as I have done many times, my family have also served in Both WW1 WW2 , your accusation or name calling is cheap, your views are that of a Liberal Lefty not a Ukip supporter, just answer my post on BNP immigration or can't you....
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]Clearly a vested interest troll, BNP are nasty and thankfully have nothing in common with UKIP.[/p][/quote]"Clearly a vested interest troll," you want to came and say that to my face big man? or are you the troll, or Coward....[/p][/quote]And there we have it, the reaction of the fascist, someone disagrees and so we have the inferred threat of violence, and in this instance made from behind the veil of a nom de plume, the mark of a true fascist coward. Let me tell you a little about myself "Welshman", I Served in the Armed forces for 20 years, I served in conflicts including Gulf 1, Bosnia and Afgahnistan, I was born in Wales and am a proud Brit, my ancestors have served this country in every war since the War of Jacobs Ear, some have lost their lives and some have been wounded. I am also a UKIPer and I can tell you, without reservation or doubt, that you and your views are NOT welcome in our party and never will be. If you manage to join, we will find you out and you will be expelled. Finally, to save you the bother of threatening me as well I am more than happy to debate you on any public platform you wish to arrange and show you up for the fascist you, and your BNP comrades, are.[/p][/quote]crossbenchtary: Why can't you Answer my post, or are you pro all I have put down, I guess you are.... Also I wouldn't join UKIP but I will vote for them, you want a debate tell me where and when or are you the coward, I don't like being called something I am not. and I will stand up for my self as I have done many times, my family have also served in Both WW1 WW2 , your accusation or name calling is cheap, your views are that of a Liberal Lefty not a Ukip supporter, just answer my post on BNP immigration or can't you.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

5:45pm Mon 5 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally:
No one knows the number so this point is irrelevant

Deport al those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British:
Ridiculous sweeping statement which fails utterly to recognise degrees of crime, somewhat akin to reintroducing capital punishment for all crimes. Would you advocate that as well?

Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate:
Utterly ridiculous, if residence or citizenship has been granted that is an end to the matter, unless it has been obtained fraudulently in which case the current rules are more than capable of dealing with it.

Offer generous grants to those of foreign decent resident here who wish to leave permanently:
So how much are you offering me to leave? I have English, Welsh, Irish, Russian, German, French, Danish, Dutch, and Greek ancestry. Exposes the patent stupidity of this policy don't you think?

Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases:
And what are the exceptional circumstances? Are they race based? Being that she is not exceptional, except to her family, this would preclude my daughter, who is a New Zealand citizen, from immigrating to the UK.

Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain:
Another blanket policy reminiscent of nazi Germany, the BNP are truly fascist aren't they?


Answer these few: Q
You want our Soldiers to fight foreign wars that don't concern this Country,?
No sane person wants their countriy's soldiers fighting in wars that do not concern them. Would you have committed British soldiers to defend Belgium in 1914 or declared war over the invasion of Poland in 1939? If so can you tell me, in and of themselves, what these conflicts had to do with Britain?

You want the spread of Sharia Law into the British Common Law,?
Another thoroughly pointless question as Sharia Law is not spreading into British Common Law. Just the BNP scaremongering.

You want more immigration from third world countries,?
If a doctor, chemist, rocket, scientist, physicist or someone of any other trade or profession required by Britain, from the third world wants to move to Britain and settle and work in their field, contributing to Britain, then I would welcome them.

You want to stay in the EU, with all their peoples allowed to come and live
here,?
I think you know the answer to this question, I would vote to leave the EU.

Your happy to have a bunch of foreigners rule our Country just like your mate Adolf wanted to do,?
If by "a bunch of foreigners" you are referring to the EU commission then the answer is no, obviously.
If, however, you mean am I happy for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc generation Britons, from whatever ethnic background, to be elected to Parliament and be appointed members of the government, Privy Council or even become Prime Minister, then I have no issue with that at all, we do after all live in a democracy despite the efforts of the fascists in the BNP.
Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally: No one knows the number so this point is irrelevant Deport al those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British: Ridiculous sweeping statement which fails utterly to recognise degrees of crime, somewhat akin to reintroducing capital punishment for all crimes. Would you advocate that as well? Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate: Utterly ridiculous, if residence or citizenship has been granted that is an end to the matter, unless it has been obtained fraudulently in which case the current rules are more than capable of dealing with it. Offer generous grants to those of foreign decent resident here who wish to leave permanently: So how much are you offering me to leave? I have English, Welsh, Irish, Russian, German, French, Danish, Dutch, and Greek ancestry. Exposes the patent stupidity of this policy don't you think? Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases: And what are the exceptional circumstances? Are they race based? Being that she is not exceptional, except to her family, this would preclude my daughter, who is a New Zealand citizen, from immigrating to the UK. Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain: Another blanket policy reminiscent of nazi Germany, the BNP are truly fascist aren't they? Answer these few: Q You want our Soldiers to fight foreign wars that don't concern this Country,? No sane person wants their countriy's soldiers fighting in wars that do not concern them. Would you have committed British soldiers to defend Belgium in 1914 or declared war over the invasion of Poland in 1939? If so can you tell me, in and of themselves, what these conflicts had to do with Britain? You want the spread of Sharia Law into the British Common Law,? Another thoroughly pointless question as Sharia Law is not spreading into British Common Law. Just the BNP scaremongering. You want more immigration from third world countries,? If a doctor, chemist, rocket, scientist, physicist or someone of any other trade or profession required by Britain, from the third world wants to move to Britain and settle and work in their field, contributing to Britain, then I would welcome them. You want to stay in the EU, with all their peoples allowed to come and live here,? I think you know the answer to this question, I would vote to leave the EU. Your happy to have a bunch of foreigners rule our Country just like your mate Adolf wanted to do,? If by "a bunch of foreigners" you are referring to the EU commission then the answer is no, obviously. If, however, you mean am I happy for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc generation Britons, from whatever ethnic background, to be elected to Parliament and be appointed members of the government, Privy Council or even become Prime Minister, then I have no issue with that at all, we do after all live in a democracy despite the efforts of the fascists in the BNP. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 0

8:15pm Mon 5 May 14

welshmen says...

crossbenchtary
I SAY,
Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally:

You say:No one knows the number so this point is irrelevant so,
I SAY, so you would let any amount stay?

I SAY, Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British
Ridiculous sweeping statement which fails utterly to recognise degrees of crime, I SAY, a crime is as a crime, we have enough of our own, so you would let them stay,?

I SAY,Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate:

You say,
Utterly ridiculous, if residence or citizenship has been granted that is an end to the matter, unless it has been obtained fraudulently in which case the current rules are more than capable of dealing with it.
I SAY, the word appropriate covers your answer.

I SAY,
Offer generous grants to those of foreign decent resident here who wish to leave permanently:

you say,
So how much are you offering me to leave? I have English, Welsh, Irish, Russian, German, French, Danish, Dutch, and Greek ancestry. Exposes the patent stupidity of this policy don't you think?

I SAY, If you don't want to leave that's fine to, your not ordered to leave, this Grant system has been a British policy for many years, surprised you didn't know that.

I SAY,
Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases:

you say,
And what are the exceptional circumstances? Are they race based? Being that she is not exceptional, except to her family, this would preclude my daughter, who is a New Zealand citizen, from immigrating to the UK.
I SAY exceptional case as you have described, but not mass immigration as under Labour or UKIP 50K over Net.

I SAY,
Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain:
You say,
Another blanket policy reminiscent of nazi Germany, the BNP are truly fascist aren't they? I SAY, I agree with you in part.

I SAY
You want our Soldiers to fight foreign wars that don't concern this Country,?

you say,
No sane person wants their countriy's soldiers fighting in wars that do not concern them. (Tony Blair did) Would you have committed British soldiers to defend Belgium in 1914 or declared war over the invasion of Poland in 1939? If so can you tell me, in and of themselves, what these conflicts had to do with Britain?
I SAY no I wouldn't have committed our Forces then or, either to Iraq or Afghanistan...but Poland, we had a treaty with them, so our Country was committed.

I SAY,
You want the spread of Sharia Law into the British Common Law,?

you say,
Another thoroughly pointless question as Sharia Law is not spreading into British Common Law. Just the BNP scaremongering.

I SAY there are 85 Sharia Councils operating in our Country, they give Muslims their Sharia law (Qur'an) to use for disputes in marriage and other Muslim affairs, and punishment. a Muslim can have Islamic compliant Wills drawn up to eliminate their wives(they can have four wives as long as he marries abroad,) and children from his estate, LLoyds TSB offer no interest charges for Muslim accounts in overdraft..25 Schools in Birmingham with radical Muslim infiltration, also Tower Hamlets, and so they continue to try take this Country, sad thing is UKIP are cossying up with them.

I SAY
You want more immigration from third world countries,?

You say,
If a doctor, chemist, rocket, scientist, physicist or someone of any other trade or profession required by Britain, from the third world wants to move to Britain and settle and work in their field, contributing to Britain, then I would welcome them.

I SAY, so your happy taking professionals that would be needed more in that third world Country than ours, shame on you. we have our own people who we can train, best for the long term.
26% of our NHS Doctors nurses are from foreign Countries, 11% can't speak English and are having lessons @ £2600 a person not with standing the foreign cleaning staff..

you say,
If, however, you mean am I happy for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc generation Britons, from whatever ethnic background, to be elected to Parliament and be appointed members of the government, Privy Council or even become Prime Minister, then I have no issue with that at all, we do after all live in a democracy despite the efforts of the fascists in the BNP.

I SAY, I have no problem with British born and bred, but not Islam, followers (Muslims), Islam is not Democratic, with woman, gay's Jew's, Christians, non believers, don't marry into our culture or haven't you and Nigel noticed, Islam is a Colonising Religion who want this Country same as they do in Palestine, Palestine was once a Christian Country, Jew's and Muslims get on in Israel, you have experience in Bosnia, how did that fair out with Islam? you know what's happening in America, Canada, and Australia, the same as here Islamic Radicals, Islam and Fear, the complete Islamic Loop, once in you can't get out or very rarely....
crossbenchtary I SAY, Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally: You say:No one knows the number so this point is irrelevant so, I SAY, so you would let any amount stay? I SAY, Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British Ridiculous sweeping statement which fails utterly to recognise degrees of crime, I SAY, a crime is as a crime, we have enough of our own, so you would let them stay,? I SAY,Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate: You say, Utterly ridiculous, if residence or citizenship has been granted that is an end to the matter, unless it has been obtained fraudulently in which case the current rules are more than capable of dealing with it. I SAY, the word appropriate covers your answer. I SAY, Offer generous grants to those of foreign decent resident here who wish to leave permanently: you say, So how much are you offering me to leave? I have English, Welsh, Irish, Russian, German, French, Danish, Dutch, and Greek ancestry. Exposes the patent stupidity of this policy don't you think? I SAY, If you don't want to leave that's fine to, your not ordered to leave, this Grant system has been a British policy for many years, surprised you didn't know that. I SAY, Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases: you say, And what are the exceptional circumstances? Are they race based? Being that she is not exceptional, except to her family, this would preclude my daughter, who is a New Zealand citizen, from immigrating to the UK. I SAY exceptional case as you have described, but not mass immigration as under Labour or UKIP 50K over Net. I SAY, Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain: You say, Another blanket policy reminiscent of nazi Germany, the BNP are truly fascist aren't they? I SAY, I agree with you in part. I SAY You want our Soldiers to fight foreign wars that don't concern this Country,? you say, No sane person wants their countriy's soldiers fighting in wars that do not concern them. (Tony Blair did) Would you have committed British soldiers to defend Belgium in 1914 or declared war over the invasion of Poland in 1939? If so can you tell me, in and of themselves, what these conflicts had to do with Britain? I SAY no I wouldn't have committed our Forces then or, either to Iraq or Afghanistan...but Poland, we had a treaty with them, so our Country was committed. I SAY, You want the spread of Sharia Law into the British Common Law,? you say, Another thoroughly pointless question as Sharia Law is not spreading into British Common Law. Just the BNP scaremongering. I SAY there are 85 Sharia Councils operating in our Country, they give Muslims their Sharia law (Qur'an) to use for disputes in marriage and other Muslim affairs, and punishment. a Muslim can have Islamic compliant Wills drawn up to eliminate their wives(they can have four wives as long as he marries abroad,) and children from his estate, LLoyds TSB offer no interest charges for Muslim accounts in overdraft..25 Schools in Birmingham with radical Muslim infiltration, also Tower Hamlets, and so they continue to try take this Country, sad thing is UKIP are cossying up with them. I SAY You want more immigration from third world countries,? You say, If a doctor, chemist, rocket, scientist, physicist or someone of any other trade or profession required by Britain, from the third world wants to move to Britain and settle and work in their field, contributing to Britain, then I would welcome them. I SAY, so your happy taking professionals that would be needed more in that third world Country than ours, shame on you. we have our own people who we can train, best for the long term. 26% of our NHS Doctors nurses are from foreign Countries, 11% can't speak English and are having lessons @ £2600 a person not with standing the foreign cleaning staff.. you say, If, however, you mean am I happy for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc generation Britons, from whatever ethnic background, to be elected to Parliament and be appointed members of the government, Privy Council or even become Prime Minister, then I have no issue with that at all, we do after all live in a democracy despite the efforts of the fascists in the BNP. I SAY, I have no problem with British born and bred, but not Islam, followers (Muslims), Islam is not Democratic, with woman, gay's Jew's, Christians, non believers, don't marry into our culture or haven't you and Nigel noticed, Islam is a Colonising Religion who want this Country same as they do in Palestine, Palestine was once a Christian Country, Jew's and Muslims get on in Israel, you have experience in Bosnia, how did that fair out with Islam? you know what's happening in America, Canada, and Australia, the same as here Islamic Radicals, Islam and Fear, the complete Islamic Loop, once in you can't get out or very rarely.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

12:50am Wed 7 May 14

Howie' says...

welshmen wrote:
The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....
Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your movies are American. Your tea is Tamil. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin...............
...

And you complain that your neighbor is an immigrant? Pull yourself together.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The only thing wrong with the UKIP immigration Policy is, it's not as good for our Country as the BNP policy on immigration, first things first though get us out of the European Union, vote Nigel UKIP....[/p][/quote]Your car is German. Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is Turkish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your movies are American. Your tea is Tamil. Your shirt is Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin............... ... And you complain that your neighbor is an immigrant? Pull yourself together. Howie'
  • Score: 3
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