Fluoridation 'helps dental health'

Maldon and Burnham Standard: Adding fluoride to water can greatly improve children's dental helath, a study shows Adding fluoride to water can greatly improve children's dental helath, a study shows

Adding fluoride to water can improve the dental health of the nation's children, a new report suggests.

Youngsters living in areas where water fluoridation schemes are in place are less likely to have tooth decay than those in other regions, according to a Public Health England (PHE) report.

Experts said there are "significant benefits" of the schemes after compiling the first national report on the measure.

During the early 20th century lower levels of tooth decay were noted in places which had certain fluoride levels in drinking water.

Over the last 50 years, schemes have been put in place in various places across England to adjust the levels of the mineral in water supplies to mimic the effect.

In England, 14 out of 152 local authorities have water fluoridation schemes in place - covering six million people.

In these areas the level of fluoride in the water is adjusted to one part per million. In the latest report, experts measured the dental health of five-year-olds with baby teeth and 12-year-olds with adult teeth from fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas.

On average, 15% fewer five-year-olds have tooth decay that needed intervention in fluoridated areas, the authors said.

And when deprivation and ethnicity - both important factors for dental health - are taken into account this figure rises to 28% fewer cases of tooth decay.

Meanwhile there are 11% fewer 12-year-olds with tooth decay in fluoridated areas compared to non-fluoridated areas.

This figure rose to 21% when deprivation and ethnicity were taken into account, the authors said.

And in areas which participate in the water adjustment scheme there are 45% fewer hospital admissions for tooth decay among children aged one to four.

Experts also found that the population rates of kidney stones and bladder cancer were lower in fluoridated areas.

While the findings are only a crude analysis, the authors found that kidney stones episodes were 5.3% lower in fluoridated areas and rates of bladder cancer were 4.4% lower in fluoridated areas compared to non-fluoridated places.

But they said more research was needed to assess these findings.

A previous study has linked fluoridation to dental fluorosis - where white flecks are seen on the teeth.

The research compared rates of the effect on fluoridated Newcastle and non-fluoridated Manchester.

They found that the number of 12 year old children in Newcastle with moderate dental fluorosis was around 1% compared to 0.2% in Manchester.

But the authors said the overall dental benefit of the schemes were "important".

"Dental caries (tooth decay) is a significant public health problem in England," the report states.

"Sizeable inequalities in the incidence of caries exist between affluent and deprived communities, and it is a common cause of hospital admissions in children."

Professor John Newton, chief knowledge officer at PHE, said: "There is a good deal of speculation about water fluoridation schemes. This report provides new data which is direct evidence of the safety and efficacy of water fluoridation in England.

"There is no evidence of any effect on general health in fluoridated areas compared to non-fluoridated areas. There are important benefits in terms of dental health - it does look as if there are really significant benefits in those areas that have water fluoridation schemes.

"We will use this report as a basis for discussions with local authorities on the scope and content of further reports and on the role of fluoridation as a public health measure."

Sue Gregory, director of dental public health at PHE, added: "These findings highlight the important contribution that water fluoridation makes to children's dental health and general well-being.

"It is notable that the benefits of this public health measure appear to be greatest for children living in the most deprived areas of the country.

"This is significant for reducing the large differences we see in dental health between deprived and more affluent areas of the country."

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1:45pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Firedrake says...

Last time mass flouridation reared its head, those local authorities which were under pressure to start the process insisted that HMG indemnify them against any damage-claims resulting from harmful consequences. HMG refused, of course (because to do so would be to admit there were risks) and so - not unnaturally - said local authorities refused. I suspect that the same thing will happen again.
Last time mass flouridation reared its head, those local authorities which were under pressure to start the process insisted that HMG indemnify them against any damage-claims resulting from harmful consequences. HMG refused, of course (because to do so would be to admit there were risks) and so - not unnaturally - said local authorities refused. I suspect that the same thing will happen again. Firedrake
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7:17pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

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PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation..

That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water

In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%.


http://tinyurl.com/l
aqdklh



IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM.

The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been.

MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever.

-

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ
R4




If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE


,,
,, PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation.. That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%. http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM. The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been. MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. 70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ R4 If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE ,, Dan Soton
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2:57am Thu 27 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
,,

PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation..

That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water

In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%.


http://tinyurl.com/l

aqdklh



IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM.

The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been.

MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever.

-

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ

R4




If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE


,,
,,


Birmingham's dentists carry out dental extraction's on 5,475 children a year... 11x Southampton's extractions.


If you believe PHE that could of been 10,950... 22x Southampton's extraction


Odd when you think Birmingham has only 4x Southampton's population?


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UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .

We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail
.co.uk




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PHE say 500 children in the (Southampton) region need to have teeth extracted under general anaesthetic due to tooth decay


Surely that can't be the same 500 children quoted back in June 2011?


http://tinyurl.com/l
aqdklh



,,
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: ,, PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation.. That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%. http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM. The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been. MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. 70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ R4 If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE ,,[/p][/quote],, Birmingham's dentists carry out dental extraction's on 5,475 children a year... 11x Southampton's extractions. If you believe PHE that could of been 10,950... 22x Southampton's extraction Odd when you think Birmingham has only 4x Southampton's population? - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk -- PHE say 500 children in the (Southampton) region need to have teeth extracted under general anaesthetic due to tooth decay Surely that can't be the same 500 children quoted back in June 2011? http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh ,, Dan Soton
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9:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
,,

PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation..

That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water

In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%.


http://tinyurl.com/l


aqdklh



IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM.

The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been.

MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever.

-

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ


R4




If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE


,,
,,


Birmingham's dentists carry out dental extraction's on 5,475 children a year... 11x Southampton's extractions.


If you believe PHE that could of been 10,950... 22x Southampton's extraction


Odd when you think Birmingham has only 4x Southampton's population?


-


UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .

We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail

.co.uk




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PHE say 500 children in the (Southampton) region need to have teeth extracted under general anaesthetic due to tooth decay


Surely that can't be the same 500 children quoted back in June 2011?


http://tinyurl.com/l

aqdklh



,,
ACCORDING TO an Echo poster called WalkingOnAWires...

The 2011 census has a figure of 27,200 children aged 0-9 in Southampton. If we assume 5/9 of those are aged 0-5 then that's about 15,000 children. 15% of 15,000 is 2,250 children who would otherwise have tooth decay


I have no reason to doubt him on the 2011 census figure of 27,200 Children... BUT


ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM 70% (3/4) of those 27,200 Children do not and may never have any dental disease.. that leaves 1/4, 6,800 Children who may at some time have dental disease issues..

PHE found 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic Waste/Fluoride is added to drinking water (hopefully at some point in time all those 6,800 children will reach the age of 12), So if you extract out the 11% from the 6,800 Children who may or may not get GENERAL tooth decay by the time their 12-year-olds you have PHEs targeted 748 Children

If we agree to say ( given variables like inflation ) fluoridation will cost Southampton £80,000 per year.. over a 12-year period you have a sum of £960,000.

(as of 2008, £59,000 per a year/ £471,000 installing plant, http://tinyurl.com/n
4kfyaj)

Given the on going shambles.. at the very least, against the will of Southampton it will cost over £1m to put Toxic waste/fluoride into our drinking water supply

Taken all costs into consideration (anything above £2m) to have 11% less (748) 12-year-olds with GENERAL tooth decay lumbers Taxpayers and Southampton with a bill of £2,673 per child.. £21,384 over a 96 year lifetime.

... and who's to say those 748 Children are not the most vulnerable to Toxic Toxic Poisoning?.. Fluoridated Birmingham has the highest Infant mortality rate in the UK, worse than in Cuba and on a par with Latvia and Chile.

-

At the end of the day however you move the figures up or down in favour of fluoridation.. it would be more cost effective to give them all a free lifetime supply of dentures.

Thankfully there are better/safer ways to fight tooth decay in low-income families, the Childsmile program has shown that large reductions in tooth decay can be achieved in Children from low-income families by teaching tooth brushing in nursery schools and educating parents on better diets



,,
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: ,, PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation.. That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%. http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM. The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been. MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. 70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ R4 If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE ,,[/p][/quote],, Birmingham's dentists carry out dental extraction's on 5,475 children a year... 11x Southampton's extractions. If you believe PHE that could of been 10,950... 22x Southampton's extraction Odd when you think Birmingham has only 4x Southampton's population? - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk -- PHE say 500 children in the (Southampton) region need to have teeth extracted under general anaesthetic due to tooth decay Surely that can't be the same 500 children quoted back in June 2011? http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh ,,[/p][/quote]ACCORDING TO an Echo poster called WalkingOnAWires... The 2011 census has a figure of 27,200 children aged 0-9 in Southampton. If we assume 5/9 of those are aged 0-5 then that's about 15,000 children. 15% of 15,000 is 2,250 children who would otherwise have tooth decay I have no reason to doubt him on the 2011 census figure of 27,200 Children... BUT ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM 70% (3/4) of those 27,200 Children do not and may never have any dental disease.. that leaves 1/4, 6,800 Children who may at some time have dental disease issues.. PHE found 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic Waste/Fluoride is added to drinking water (hopefully at some point in time all those 6,800 children will reach the age of 12), So if you extract out the 11% from the 6,800 Children who may or may not get GENERAL tooth decay by the time their 12-year-olds you have PHEs targeted 748 Children If we agree to say ( given variables like inflation ) fluoridation will cost Southampton £80,000 per year.. over a 12-year period you have a sum of £960,000. (as of 2008, £59,000 per a year/ £471,000 installing plant, http://tinyurl.com/n 4kfyaj) Given the on going shambles.. at the very least, against the will of Southampton it will cost over £1m to put Toxic waste/fluoride into our drinking water supply Taken all costs into consideration (anything above £2m) to have 11% less (748) 12-year-olds with GENERAL tooth decay lumbers Taxpayers and Southampton with a bill of £2,673 per child.. £21,384 over a 96 year lifetime. ... and who's to say those 748 Children are not the most vulnerable to Toxic Toxic Poisoning?.. Fluoridated Birmingham has the highest Infant mortality rate in the UK, worse than in Cuba and on a par with Latvia and Chile. - At the end of the day however you move the figures up or down in favour of fluoridation.. it would be more cost effective to give them all a free lifetime supply of dentures. Thankfully there are better/safer ways to fight tooth decay in low-income families, the Childsmile program has shown that large reductions in tooth decay can be achieved in Children from low-income families by teaching tooth brushing in nursery schools and educating parents on better diets ,, Dan Soton
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5:47am Fri 28 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
,,

PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation..

That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water

In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%.


http://tinyurl.com/l



aqdklh



IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM.

The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been.

MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever.

-

http://www.youtube.c



om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ



R4




If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE


,,
,,


Birmingham's dentists carry out dental extraction's on 5,475 children a year... 11x Southampton's extractions.


If you believe PHE that could of been 10,950... 22x Southampton's extraction


Odd when you think Birmingham has only 4x Southampton's population?


-


UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .

We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail


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PHE say 500 children in the (Southampton) region need to have teeth extracted under general anaesthetic due to tooth decay


Surely that can't be the same 500 children quoted back in June 2011?


http://tinyurl.com/l


aqdklh



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ACCORDING TO an Echo poster called WalkingOnAWires...

The 2011 census has a figure of 27,200 children aged 0-9 in Southampton. If we assume 5/9 of those are aged 0-5 then that's about 15,000 children. 15% of 15,000 is 2,250 children who would otherwise have tooth decay


I have no reason to doubt him on the 2011 census figure of 27,200 Children... BUT


ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM 70% (3/4) of those 27,200 Children do not and may never have any dental disease.. that leaves 1/4, 6,800 Children who may at some time have dental disease issues..

PHE found 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic Waste/Fluoride is added to drinking water (hopefully at some point in time all those 6,800 children will reach the age of 12), So if you extract out the 11% from the 6,800 Children who may or may not get GENERAL tooth decay by the time their 12-year-olds you have PHEs targeted 748 Children

If we agree to say ( given variables like inflation ) fluoridation will cost Southampton £80,000 per year.. over a 12-year period you have a sum of £960,000.

(as of 2008, £59,000 per a year/ £471,000 installing plant, http://tinyurl.com/n

4kfyaj)

Given the on going shambles.. at the very least, against the will of Southampton it will cost over £1m to put Toxic waste/fluoride into our drinking water supply

Taken all costs into consideration (anything above £2m) to have 11% less (748) 12-year-olds with GENERAL tooth decay lumbers Taxpayers and Southampton with a bill of £2,673 per child.. £21,384 over a 96 year lifetime.

... and who's to say those 748 Children are not the most vulnerable to Toxic Toxic Poisoning?.. Fluoridated Birmingham has the highest Infant mortality rate in the UK, worse than in Cuba and on a par with Latvia and Chile.

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At the end of the day however you move the figures up or down in favour of fluoridation.. it would be more cost effective to give them all a free lifetime supply of dentures.

Thankfully there are better/safer ways to fight tooth decay in low-income families, the Childsmile program has shown that large reductions in tooth decay can be achieved in Children from low-income families by teaching tooth brushing in nursery schools and educating parents on better diets



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I'll make do with the below figures until I can find out exactly how many Totton, Eastleigh and Southampton 12-year-old's PHE is targeting


The below data relates to births recorded by Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust (SUHT) Includes births to mothers with a home postcode within Southampton. does not include births to mothers with a Southampton postcode but the birth occurs within a loction not covered by SUHT


2009/10 Live Births in Southampton shot up to 3,224 from 2,816 in 2006/7


Taking the higher figure of the two, 3,224 x 12 yrs = 38,688 Children (using Prof Peckham's and PHE's stats )... over a 12-year period Southampton will have 1,064 less 12-year old Children with GENERAL tooth decay.

If 12 yrs of Fluoridation soul purpose is to reduce 12-year old Children's GENERAL tooth decay by 11% it would be a crime on biblical proportions.

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Does that small 11% benefit tail off?.. PHE's report mentions Hip fractures, Kidney stones, Cancers etc, but fails to mention any benefits for Teenagers

Fluoridation... Zero statistical benefits for Teenagers or detrimental?


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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: ,, PHE have fed a PC with all their best Toxic Waste/Fluoridation results put them up against all their worst none Fluoridation results clicked a mouse and come up with Mass Fluoridation.. That's Disturbing.. PHE is advocating Mass Fluoridation on finding 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic waste/fluoride is added to drinking water In June 2011 we were promised.. in the area to be fluoridated in and around Southampton, the number of children’s teeth affected by decay will fall – probably by between about 30% and 50%. http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh IN MAY 2013... ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM. The level of dental decay in Southampton among five year old children is the lowest it has ever been. MORE CHILDREN ARE CARIES FREE THAN EVER BEFORE, UP TO 40 % LOWER THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. 70% of Southampton's children do not have any dental disease what's so ever. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ R4 If PHE fed a PC with its 11% cut in GENERAL tooth decay, put it up against Southampton's 40 % cut in tooth decay and clicked on a mouse.. it would come up with Mass Resignations for PHE ,,[/p][/quote],, Birmingham's dentists carry out dental extraction's on 5,475 children a year... 11x Southampton's extractions. If you believe PHE that could of been 10,950... 22x Southampton's extraction Odd when you think Birmingham has only 4x Southampton's population? - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk -- PHE say 500 children in the (Southampton) region need to have teeth extracted under general anaesthetic due to tooth decay Surely that can't be the same 500 children quoted back in June 2011? http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh ,,[/p][/quote]ACCORDING TO an Echo poster called WalkingOnAWires... The 2011 census has a figure of 27,200 children aged 0-9 in Southampton. If we assume 5/9 of those are aged 0-5 then that's about 15,000 children. 15% of 15,000 is 2,250 children who would otherwise have tooth decay I have no reason to doubt him on the 2011 census figure of 27,200 Children... BUT ACCORDING TO PROFESSOR STEPHEN PECKHAM 70% (3/4) of those 27,200 Children do not and may never have any dental disease.. that leaves 1/4, 6,800 Children who may at some time have dental disease issues.. PHE found 11% less GENERAL tooth decay for 12-year-olds when Toxic Waste/Fluoride is added to drinking water (hopefully at some point in time all those 6,800 children will reach the age of 12), So if you extract out the 11% from the 6,800 Children who may or may not get GENERAL tooth decay by the time their 12-year-olds you have PHEs targeted 748 Children If we agree to say ( given variables like inflation ) fluoridation will cost Southampton £80,000 per year.. over a 12-year period you have a sum of £960,000. (as of 2008, £59,000 per a year/ £471,000 installing plant, http://tinyurl.com/n 4kfyaj) Given the on going shambles.. at the very least, against the will of Southampton it will cost over £1m to put Toxic waste/fluoride into our drinking water supply Taken all costs into consideration (anything above £2m) to have 11% less (748) 12-year-olds with GENERAL tooth decay lumbers Taxpayers and Southampton with a bill of £2,673 per child.. £21,384 over a 96 year lifetime. ... and who's to say those 748 Children are not the most vulnerable to Toxic Toxic Poisoning?.. Fluoridated Birmingham has the highest Infant mortality rate in the UK, worse than in Cuba and on a par with Latvia and Chile. - At the end of the day however you move the figures up or down in favour of fluoridation.. it would be more cost effective to give them all a free lifetime supply of dentures. Thankfully there are better/safer ways to fight tooth decay in low-income families, the Childsmile program has shown that large reductions in tooth decay can be achieved in Children from low-income families by teaching tooth brushing in nursery schools and educating parents on better diets ,,[/p][/quote],, I'll make do with the below figures until I can find out exactly how many Totton, Eastleigh and Southampton 12-year-old's PHE is targeting The below data relates to births recorded by Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust (SUHT) Includes births to mothers with a home postcode within Southampton. does not include births to mothers with a Southampton postcode but the birth occurs within a loction not covered by SUHT 2009/10 Live Births in Southampton shot up to 3,224 from 2,816 in 2006/7 Taking the higher figure of the two, 3,224 x 12 yrs = 38,688 Children (using Prof Peckham's and PHE's stats )... over a 12-year period Southampton will have 1,064 less 12-year old Children with GENERAL tooth decay. If 12 yrs of Fluoridation soul purpose is to reduce 12-year old Children's GENERAL tooth decay by 11% it would be a crime on biblical proportions. - Does that small 11% benefit tail off?.. PHE's report mentions Hip fractures, Kidney stones, Cancers etc, but fails to mention any benefits for Teenagers Fluoridation... Zero statistical benefits for Teenagers or detrimental? ,, Dan Soton
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2:16am Mon 31 Mar 14

Dan Soton says...

Update..


PHEs Best Case Scenario.. after 12 yrs of Toxic Waste/Fluoridation only an extra 1,276 Children per year with less GENERAL tooth decay.  


(1) ACCORDING to Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust (SUHT) 2009/10 Live Births in Southampton numbered.. 3,224
 

(2) ACCORDING to Prof Stephen Peckham 70% of those 3,224 babies will grow up dental disease free.. that leaves 967 babies who may at some time have dental disease issues


(3) ACCORDING to PHEs Best Case Scenario.. they found 11% less GENERAL tooth decay when Toxic Waste/Fluoride is added to drinking water... 11% of 967 leaves 106 babies in the first year with less GENERAL ( not dental disease free for life ) tooth decay.
 

1 yr.. (1) 3,224 (2) 967 (3) 106

2 yrs.. (1) 6,448 (2) 1,935 (3) 212

3 yrs.. (1) 9,672 (2) 2,902 (3) 319

4 yrs.. (1) 12,896 (2) 3,869 (3) 425

5 yrs.. (1) 16,120 (2) 4,836 (3) 532

6 yrs.. (1) 19,344 (2) 5,804 (3) 638

7 yrs.. (1) 22,568 (2) 6,771 (3) 745

8 yrs.. (1) 25,792 (2) 7,738 (3) 852

9 yrs.. (1) 29,016 (2) 8,705 (3) 957

10 yrs.. (1) 32,240 (2) 9,672 (3) 1,063

11 yrs.. (1) 35,464 (2) 10,640 (3) 1,170

12 yrs.. (1) 38,688 (2) 11,607 (3) 1,276


Using PHEs best case scenario.. after 12 yrs of Toxic Waste/Fluoridation WE WILL HAVE an extra 1,276 Children per year with less GENERAL ( not dental disease free for life ) tooth decay..

THAT's HARDLY the 50% fall promised back in June 2011..

http://tinyurl.com/l
aqdklh


NO MATTER, ACCORDING to Prof. Stephen Peckham Southampton's Children are already an impressive 70% dental disease free.. 70% of 38,688 would of equalled 27,081 Children tooth decay free.. over only a few years 70% is a superb achievement, among five years tooth decay is the lowest it has ever been


http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ
R4


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GIVEN ALL THE ABOVE.. As I see it, the only way to improve on Southampton's superb 70% of children do not have any dental disease what's so ever.. is to follow Scotland's lead, Childsmile, supervised Nursery toothbrushing



Nursery toothbrushing saves £6m in dental costs

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-scotland-24
880356



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Update.. PHEs Best Case Scenario.. after 12 yrs of Toxic Waste/Fluoridation only an extra 1,276 Children per year with less GENERAL tooth decay.   (1) ACCORDING to Southampton University Hospitals NHS Trust (SUHT) 2009/10 Live Births in Southampton numbered.. 3,224   (2) ACCORDING to Prof Stephen Peckham 70% of those 3,224 babies will grow up dental disease free.. that leaves 967 babies who may at some time have dental disease issues (3) ACCORDING to PHEs Best Case Scenario.. they found 11% less GENERAL tooth decay when Toxic Waste/Fluoride is added to drinking water... 11% of 967 leaves 106 babies in the first year with less GENERAL ( not dental disease free for life ) tooth decay.   1 yr.. (1) 3,224 (2) 967 (3) 106 2 yrs.. (1) 6,448 (2) 1,935 (3) 212 3 yrs.. (1) 9,672 (2) 2,902 (3) 319 4 yrs.. (1) 12,896 (2) 3,869 (3) 425 5 yrs.. (1) 16,120 (2) 4,836 (3) 532 6 yrs.. (1) 19,344 (2) 5,804 (3) 638 7 yrs.. (1) 22,568 (2) 6,771 (3) 745 8 yrs.. (1) 25,792 (2) 7,738 (3) 852 9 yrs.. (1) 29,016 (2) 8,705 (3) 957 10 yrs.. (1) 32,240 (2) 9,672 (3) 1,063 11 yrs.. (1) 35,464 (2) 10,640 (3) 1,170 12 yrs.. (1) 38,688 (2) 11,607 (3) 1,276 Using PHEs best case scenario.. after 12 yrs of Toxic Waste/Fluoridation WE WILL HAVE an extra 1,276 Children per year with less GENERAL ( not dental disease free for life ) tooth decay.. THAT's HARDLY the 50% fall promised back in June 2011.. http://tinyurl.com/l aqdklh NO MATTER, ACCORDING to Prof. Stephen Peckham Southampton's Children are already an impressive 70% dental disease free.. 70% of 38,688 would of equalled 27,081 Children tooth decay free.. over only a few years 70% is a superb achievement, among five years tooth decay is the lowest it has ever been http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1LglU4uUJ R4 - GIVEN ALL THE ABOVE.. As I see it, the only way to improve on Southampton's superb 70% of children do not have any dental disease what's so ever.. is to follow Scotland's lead, Childsmile, supervised Nursery toothbrushing Nursery toothbrushing saves £6m in dental costs http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-scotland-24 880356 ,, Dan Soton
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2:40pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Dan Soton says...

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Where's Johnson's £42 million gone?


LABOUR'S SICK LEGACY.

In 2008 Labour’s genial Secretary of Health, Alan Johnson, awarded £14 million a year for three years to the Strategic Health Authorities (SHAs) . The money was to be used exclusively to fund new fluoridation schemes, or to carry out feasibility studies on any new proposals for such projects.

But SHAs are not allowed to hold capital allocations, so with the collaboration of Primary care trusts (PCTs) some creative accounting allowed the money to be diverted to prop up ailing existing fluoridation schemes.

To launder Johnson’s millions, the Capital allowance is first transferred to PCTs, who convert it to Revenue. They then pass this back to the SHAs, who have then are able to switch it into repairing defective existing fluoridation equipment. This is in direct defiance of Johnson’s quite specific intention.

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Wherever the money is now.. A UK Childsmile programme could be saving millions in dental costs



NURSERY TOOTHBRUSHING SAVES £6m IN DENTAL COSTS

10 November 2013 Last updated at 01:03

A scheme to encourage nursery children to brush their teeth has saved more than £6m in dental costs, according to a new study.

Childsmile involves staff at all Scottish nurseries offering free supervised toothbrushing every day.

Glasgow researchers found that the scheme had reduced the cost of treating dental disease in five-year-olds by more than half between 2001 and 2010.


http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-scotland-24
880356


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,,, Where's Johnson's £42 million gone? LABOUR'S SICK LEGACY. In 2008 Labour’s genial Secretary of Health, Alan Johnson, awarded £14 million a year for three years to the Strategic Health Authorities (SHAs) . The money was to be used exclusively to fund new fluoridation schemes, or to carry out feasibility studies on any new proposals for such projects. But SHAs are not allowed to hold capital allocations, so with the collaboration of Primary care trusts (PCTs) some creative accounting allowed the money to be diverted to prop up ailing existing fluoridation schemes. To launder Johnson’s millions, the Capital allowance is first transferred to PCTs, who convert it to Revenue. They then pass this back to the SHAs, who have then are able to switch it into repairing defective existing fluoridation equipment. This is in direct defiance of Johnson’s quite specific intention. -------------- Wherever the money is now.. A UK Childsmile programme could be saving millions in dental costs NURSERY TOOTHBRUSHING SAVES £6m IN DENTAL COSTS 10 November 2013 Last updated at 01:03 A scheme to encourage nursery children to brush their teeth has saved more than £6m in dental costs, according to a new study. Childsmile involves staff at all Scottish nurseries offering free supervised toothbrushing every day. Glasgow researchers found that the scheme had reduced the cost of treating dental disease in five-year-olds by more than half between 2001 and 2010. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-scotland-24 880356 ,, Dan Soton
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