Planning boss 'sorry' for Prettygate Tesco blunder

Planning boss 'sorry' for Prettygate Tesco blunder

Planning boss 'sorry' for Prettygate Tesco blunder

First published in Countywide

PLANNING bosses have apologised for allowing plans for a Tesco supermarket to go through unchecked.

In November, an application was submitted to Colchester Council to convert a row of three shops in Cotman Avenue, Prettygate into four separate outlets, which was granted.

But since then, a number of amendments to convert the four shops into one large shop were granted by council planners without consulting residents or councillors because they were not considered ‘material’, or important enough.

Tesco is now set to open an Express store in the larger space.

The council planning department has come under fire for turning a blind eye.

In an email to Prettygate councillors, planning manager Andrew Tyrrell, said: “It is my opinion, on looking back at this file retrospectively, that the amendments should have been subject to a full planning application process, with consultation, which would have been our normal procedure.

“However, this was an error of judgement made by the officer at the time.

“It was a judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree.

“However, I would have expected that the change in character from four to one units would have been judged to be ‘material’.”

He added: “Nevertheless, the decision was issued and is a valid permission.

“I have spoken with the officer involved and this will not happen again.”

Comments (37)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

9:12am Mon 1 Sep 14

siteman says...

Greased palms spring to mind for some reason!
Greased palms spring to mind for some reason! siteman
  • Score: 22

9:14am Mon 1 Sep 14

Bert_Stimpson says...

“I have spoken with the officer involved and this will not happen again.”

Phew, that's OK then.
“I have spoken with the officer involved and this will not happen again.” Phew, that's OK then. Bert_Stimpson
  • Score: 23

9:15am Mon 1 Sep 14

Bert_Stimpson says...

I wonder how many Clubcard points you can get for an 'error of judgement'.
I wonder how many Clubcard points you can get for an 'error of judgement'. Bert_Stimpson
  • Score: 28

9:47am Mon 1 Sep 14

co2 says...

stinks of corruption.
stinks of corruption. co2
  • Score: 20

9:59am Mon 1 Sep 14

PROOFREADER says...

Cotman Avenue ? The road is called Cotman Road !
Cotman Avenue ? The road is called Cotman Road ! PROOFREADER
  • Score: 11

10:50am Mon 1 Sep 14

totallyfootball says...

Don't worry I am sure the compensation will ease your obvious pain, corrupt to the core!
Don't worry I am sure the compensation will ease your obvious pain, corrupt to the core! totallyfootball
  • Score: 10

10:51am Mon 1 Sep 14

Angry of Lexden says...

We should not accept this as an "error of judgement", the consequences will be very serious - job security for employees working in the existing shops, traffic, parking and the tattered credibility of the elected and salaried Cbc officers concerned. Important procedures and safe guards were missed out, either by accident or deliberately. There ought to be an empty desk over this, perhaps two - the individual concerned and his boss - but not likely. The elected officers haven't the bottle to force the issue on our behalf, too reliant on a cosy relationship with the salaried guys.
We should not accept this as an "error of judgement", the consequences will be very serious - job security for employees working in the existing shops, traffic, parking and the tattered credibility of the elected and salaried Cbc officers concerned. Important procedures and safe guards were missed out, either by accident or deliberately. There ought to be an empty desk over this, perhaps two - the individual concerned and his boss - but not likely. The elected officers haven't the bottle to force the issue on our behalf, too reliant on a cosy relationship with the salaried guys. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 11

11:26am Mon 1 Sep 14

Horse wisperer says...

I take it this officer was sacked for this??
I take it this officer was sacked for this?? Horse wisperer
  • Score: 10

11:34am Mon 1 Sep 14

stevedawson says...

A tesco express will be no competition. That type of outlet is part of the reason tesco are in the do do.however, that chap tyrell should take a reality check as so called planning chief his descision should have been sort at least.sack at least for the officer and a black mark against mr. Tyrell.
with everything that has happened in essex ie the old pig farmer etc.the shout of brown envelops somewhere along the line?planning??have any of the officers seen what that little area is like at the moment without this development.
A tesco express will be no competition. That type of outlet is part of the reason tesco are in the do do.however, that chap tyrell should take a reality check as so called planning chief his descision should have been sort at least.sack at least for the officer and a black mark against mr. Tyrell. with everything that has happened in essex ie the old pig farmer etc.the shout of brown envelops somewhere along the line?planning??have any of the officers seen what that little area is like at the moment without this development. stevedawson
  • Score: 2

11:47am Mon 1 Sep 14

The old see dog says...

Get a life people, there are more important things to worry about that are happening or about to happen in this country without moaning about b****y Tesco and planning departments.

Its now the way of life. Convert one unit into another use, and build houses on every blade of grass. Because the country is over flowing with people that needs to be served
Get a life people, there are more important things to worry about that are happening or about to happen in this country without moaning about b****y Tesco and planning departments. Its now the way of life. Convert one unit into another use, and build houses on every blade of grass. Because the country is over flowing with people that needs to be served The old see dog
  • Score: -7

12:00pm Mon 1 Sep 14

totallyfootball says...

The old see dog wrote:
Get a life people, there are more important things to worry about that are happening or about to happen in this country without moaning about b****y Tesco and planning departments.

Its now the way of life. Convert one unit into another use, and build houses on every blade of grass. Because the country is over flowing with people that needs to be served
Its the typical blind eye that has led to this country to be border line lawless, I bet someone in Rotherham made that kind of comment a few years ago now look at the level of child abuse!
[quote][p][bold]The old see dog[/bold] wrote: Get a life people, there are more important things to worry about that are happening or about to happen in this country without moaning about b****y Tesco and planning departments. Its now the way of life. Convert one unit into another use, and build houses on every blade of grass. Because the country is over flowing with people that needs to be served[/p][/quote]Its the typical blind eye that has led to this country to be border line lawless, I bet someone in Rotherham made that kind of comment a few years ago now look at the level of child abuse! totallyfootball
  • Score: 8

12:11pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap? Shrubendlad
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sam vines says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?[/p][/quote]They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP. sam vines
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sam vines says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?[/p][/quote]They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP. sam vines
  • Score: 0

12:59pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Ontheball says...

The Council planning department has shown itself up as being totally unfit for purpose time and again by its ludicrious decisions that have, and are, ruining this one nice town.
The Council planning department has shown itself up as being totally unfit for purpose time and again by its ludicrious decisions that have, and are, ruining this one nice town. Ontheball
  • Score: 16

1:41pm Mon 1 Sep 14

AngryManNewTown says...

This issue should be discussed at a FULL Council meeting and planning should be suspended until this is reviewed correctly.
This issue should be discussed at a FULL Council meeting and planning should be suspended until this is reviewed correctly. AngryManNewTown
  • Score: 13

2:47pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Reginald47 says...

sam vines wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.
What family links are those then?
[quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?[/p][/quote]They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.[/p][/quote]What family links are those then? Reginald47
  • Score: 7

4:47pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Snippet says...

How does human error mean a consultation is still not be undertaken and the project put on hold until it is?
How does human error mean a consultation is still not be undertaken and the project put on hold until it is? Snippet
  • Score: 6

4:51pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Angry of Lexden says...

stevedawson wrote:
A tesco express will be no competition. That type of outlet is part of the reason tesco are in the do do.however, that chap tyrell should take a reality check as so called planning chief his descision should have been sort at least.sack at least for the officer and a black mark against mr. Tyrell.
with everything that has happened in essex ie the old pig farmer etc.the shout of brown envelops somewhere along the line?planning??have any of the officers seen what that little area is like at the moment without this development.
SD - in my opinion a Tesco express opening in Prettygate will be disruptive and damaging to local traders. The TE will start by creating curiosity and when the local population visit just to check it out, the "special" introductory price structure will create initial sales. These initial sales will break any local resistance, and folk will get into the Tesco habit. Then the sophisticated moving price structure will kick in - the price per 100 grams of bulk and multi packs will be substantially higher than individual and small packs. We have seen adverse price differentials between in Tesco of plus 25% for bulk packs over individual packs per 100 grams. Check it out for yourselves. The favourite is crisp packs. Over time the multi pack price per 100 grams will be substantially higher than that for individual bags. Think on Steve, on the basis families can only buy so much, where do you think the new Tesco sales in Prettygate will come from - the Co-op and newsagent. And, I bet there will be sales of Tesco unhealthy snacks to the pupils of Philip Morrant. I don't for one minute believe the correct planning procedure would have stopped Tesco - be a but like the Chinese idiot in front of a tank - but it would have raised, the question in folks mind, increased the initial level of resistance to the "Tesco" dominance and given other traders a firmer platform to fight back from Yes, Steve you are correct, Tesco are up pooh creek, but the trashing about of a massive wounded beast does a lot a local damage.
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: A tesco express will be no competition. That type of outlet is part of the reason tesco are in the do do.however, that chap tyrell should take a reality check as so called planning chief his descision should have been sort at least.sack at least for the officer and a black mark against mr. Tyrell. with everything that has happened in essex ie the old pig farmer etc.the shout of brown envelops somewhere along the line?planning??have any of the officers seen what that little area is like at the moment without this development.[/p][/quote]SD - in my opinion a Tesco express opening in Prettygate will be disruptive and damaging to local traders. The TE will start by creating curiosity and when the local population visit just to check it out, the "special" introductory price structure will create initial sales. These initial sales will break any local resistance, and folk will get into the Tesco habit. Then the sophisticated moving price structure will kick in - the price per 100 grams of bulk and multi packs will be substantially higher than individual and small packs. We have seen adverse price differentials between in Tesco of plus 25% for bulk packs over individual packs per 100 grams. Check it out for yourselves. The favourite is crisp packs. Over time the multi pack price per 100 grams will be substantially higher than that for individual bags. Think on Steve, on the basis families can only buy so much, where do you think the new Tesco sales in Prettygate will come from - the Co-op and newsagent. And, I bet there will be sales of Tesco unhealthy snacks to the pupils of Philip Morrant. I don't for one minute believe the correct planning procedure would have stopped Tesco - be a but like the Chinese idiot in front of a tank - but it would have raised, the question in folks mind, increased the initial level of resistance to the "Tesco" dominance and given other traders a firmer platform to fight back from Yes, Steve you are correct, Tesco are up pooh creek, but the trashing about of a massive wounded beast does a lot a local damage. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 5

5:15pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Snippet says...

If you feel strongly about this I suggest you contact the planning department at Colchester Council to make a formal complaint,their website is currently down but you can contact them within working hours on 01206 282424 and request to make a formal complaint.
You can also contact Colchester MP Bob Russell on either info@bobrussell.org.
uk or 01206 506600
I will be contacting all of the above as I don't think its acceptable to conduct a planning application in such a way without the views of the public being taken into consideration.
Why bother?
Well I have never made a complaint about a planning application in my life but I feel strongly that this project will have a long term negative impact on the Prettygate community that will likely be irreversible within my generation so why shouldn't I or other members of the public not be given a right to stand up for their community or to simply make their thoughts known?
If the public feel this is a great project that should go ahead then the local authority have nothing to worry about but they do have a responsibility to seek that opinion.
If you feel strongly about this I suggest you contact the planning department at Colchester Council to make a formal complaint,their website is currently down but you can contact them within working hours on 01206 282424 and request to make a formal complaint. You can also contact Colchester MP Bob Russell on either info@bobrussell.org. uk or 01206 506600 I will be contacting all of the above as I don't think its acceptable to conduct a planning application in such a way without the views of the public being taken into consideration. Why bother? Well I have never made a complaint about a planning application in my life but I feel strongly that this project will have a long term negative impact on the Prettygate community that will likely be irreversible within my generation so why shouldn't I or other members of the public not be given a right to stand up for their community or to simply make their thoughts known? If the public feel this is a great project that should go ahead then the local authority have nothing to worry about but they do have a responsibility to seek that opinion. Snippet
  • Score: 10

5:27pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

Snippet wrote:
If you feel strongly about this I suggest you contact the planning department at Colchester Council to make a formal complaint,their website is currently down but you can contact them within working hours on 01206 282424 and request to make a formal complaint.
You can also contact Colchester MP Bob Russell on either info@bobrussell.org.

uk or 01206 506600
I will be contacting all of the above as I don't think its acceptable to conduct a planning application in such a way without the views of the public being taken into consideration.
Why bother?
Well I have never made a complaint about a planning application in my life but I feel strongly that this project will have a long term negative impact on the Prettygate community that will likely be irreversible within my generation so why shouldn't I or other members of the public not be given a right to stand up for their community or to simply make their thoughts known?
If the public feel this is a great project that should go ahead then the local authority have nothing to worry about but they do have a responsibility to seek that opinion.
You cant contact Sir Bob Russell at the moment.
He is reading verbatim from his A4 pad in the Commons-Apparently we don't have enough army to fight the Battle of Waterloo!
[quote][p][bold]Snippet[/bold] wrote: If you feel strongly about this I suggest you contact the planning department at Colchester Council to make a formal complaint,their website is currently down but you can contact them within working hours on 01206 282424 and request to make a formal complaint. You can also contact Colchester MP Bob Russell on either info@bobrussell.org. uk or 01206 506600 I will be contacting all of the above as I don't think its acceptable to conduct a planning application in such a way without the views of the public being taken into consideration. Why bother? Well I have never made a complaint about a planning application in my life but I feel strongly that this project will have a long term negative impact on the Prettygate community that will likely be irreversible within my generation so why shouldn't I or other members of the public not be given a right to stand up for their community or to simply make their thoughts known? If the public feel this is a great project that should go ahead then the local authority have nothing to worry about but they do have a responsibility to seek that opinion.[/p][/quote]You cant contact Sir Bob Russell at the moment. He is reading verbatim from his A4 pad in the Commons-Apparently we don't have enough army to fight the Battle of Waterloo! Shrubendlad
  • Score: -1

5:52pm Mon 1 Sep 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

co2 wrote:
stinks of corruption.
We say this time and time again no one listens no one cares, everyone says we are day dreaming or conspiracy theorising into mania, really ???
This town has become the poisoned parochial chalice of corruption beyond recognition, please grow up colchester council we are all not st*pid and can smell a rat a mile off, cue the Serious Fraud Office please ?
[quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: stinks of corruption.[/p][/quote]We say this time and time again no one listens no one cares, everyone says we are day dreaming or conspiracy theorising into mania, really ??? This town has become the poisoned parochial chalice of corruption beyond recognition, please grow up colchester council we are all not st*pid and can smell a rat a mile off, cue the Serious Fraud Office please ? TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: 4

6:13pm Mon 1 Sep 14

catarina13 says...

Regardless of who is at fault here for granting permission, as a long standing Prettygate resident who lives just round the corner and has to pass the new 'Tesco' site in order to get home, i wonder who considered the impact this would have on the locals living close by? I for one frequently have to queue in my car in the 'bank queue' not because i want to go to the bank and am too lazy to walk but because i am driving home and the bank customers seem to think it is their right to block the road and remain across it until a car park space becomes available. So with limited parking this can only get worse , we all know that people today do not walk anywhere so cars will be littering the pavement and where are the delivery lorries going to park? At least the Co Op has a loading bay, although traffic has to stop while the lorry reverses in. I for one will be seriously wondering if my time in Prettygate is coming to an end and maybe we should move somewhere quieter. Yes, a Tesco store is a great idea, but we have the Co Op , we have Martins, the post office , the chinese etc. There is no need for another food store but more to the point the location does not have enough room for a store. Oh and by the way I am a Tesco shopper!
Regardless of who is at fault here for granting permission, as a long standing Prettygate resident who lives just round the corner and has to pass the new 'Tesco' site in order to get home, i wonder who considered the impact this would have on the locals living close by? I for one frequently have to queue in my car in the 'bank queue' not because i want to go to the bank and am too lazy to walk but because i am driving home and the bank customers seem to think it is their right to block the road and remain across it until a car park space becomes available. So with limited parking this can only get worse , we all know that people today do not walk anywhere so cars will be littering the pavement and where are the delivery lorries going to park? At least the Co Op has a loading bay, although traffic has to stop while the lorry reverses in. I for one will be seriously wondering if my time in Prettygate is coming to an end and maybe we should move somewhere quieter. Yes, a Tesco store is a great idea, but we have the Co Op , we have Martins, the post office , the chinese etc. There is no need for another food store but more to the point the location does not have enough room for a store. Oh and by the way I am a Tesco shopper! catarina13
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

catarina13 wrote:
Regardless of who is at fault here for granting permission, as a long standing Prettygate resident who lives just round the corner and has to pass the new 'Tesco' site in order to get home, i wonder who considered the impact this would have on the locals living close by? I for one frequently have to queue in my car in the 'bank queue' not because i want to go to the bank and am too lazy to walk but because i am driving home and the bank customers seem to think it is their right to block the road and remain across it until a car park space becomes available. So with limited parking this can only get worse , we all know that people today do not walk anywhere so cars will be littering the pavement and where are the delivery lorries going to park? At least the Co Op has a loading bay, although traffic has to stop while the lorry reverses in. I for one will be seriously wondering if my time in Prettygate is coming to an end and maybe we should move somewhere quieter. Yes, a Tesco store is a great idea, but we have the Co Op , we have Martins, the post office , the chinese etc. There is no need for another food store but more to the point the location does not have enough room for a store. Oh and by the way I am a Tesco shopper!
When to shops were newly built my family used to walk or use a bike.
Mind you there were 50 Colchester Corporation Buses plying their trade-Number 6 to Prettygate.
[quote][p][bold]catarina13[/bold] wrote: Regardless of who is at fault here for granting permission, as a long standing Prettygate resident who lives just round the corner and has to pass the new 'Tesco' site in order to get home, i wonder who considered the impact this would have on the locals living close by? I for one frequently have to queue in my car in the 'bank queue' not because i want to go to the bank and am too lazy to walk but because i am driving home and the bank customers seem to think it is their right to block the road and remain across it until a car park space becomes available. So with limited parking this can only get worse , we all know that people today do not walk anywhere so cars will be littering the pavement and where are the delivery lorries going to park? At least the Co Op has a loading bay, although traffic has to stop while the lorry reverses in. I for one will be seriously wondering if my time in Prettygate is coming to an end and maybe we should move somewhere quieter. Yes, a Tesco store is a great idea, but we have the Co Op , we have Martins, the post office , the chinese etc. There is no need for another food store but more to the point the location does not have enough room for a store. Oh and by the way I am a Tesco shopper![/p][/quote]When to shops were newly built my family used to walk or use a bike. Mind you there were 50 Colchester Corporation Buses plying their trade-Number 6 to Prettygate. Shrubendlad
  • Score: -2

8:18pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Angry of Lexden says...

catarina13 wrote:
Regardless of who is at fault here for granting permission, as a long standing Prettygate resident who lives just round the corner and has to pass the new 'Tesco' site in order to get home, i wonder who considered the impact this would have on the locals living close by? I for one frequently have to queue in my car in the 'bank queue' not because i want to go to the bank and am too lazy to walk but because i am driving home and the bank customers seem to think it is their right to block the road and remain across it until a car park space becomes available. So with limited parking this can only get worse , we all know that people today do not walk anywhere so cars will be littering the pavement and where are the delivery lorries going to park? At least the Co Op has a loading bay, although traffic has to stop while the lorry reverses in. I for one will be seriously wondering if my time in Prettygate is coming to an end and maybe we should move somewhere quieter. Yes, a Tesco store is a great idea, but we have the Co Op , we have Martins, the post office , the chinese etc. There is no need for another food store but more to the point the location does not have enough room for a store. Oh and by the way I am a Tesco shopper!
Ok catarina, we were also Tesco customers for fifteen plus years. Even did the van delivery thing. But then I started to check prices - see my mail above. Switched to sainsbury, but the new place is just too big. So we tried the co-op at five ways. It is brilliant! Friendly, not overwhelming, pricing ok but more importantly consistent. And there is the divi.
[quote][p][bold]catarina13[/bold] wrote: Regardless of who is at fault here for granting permission, as a long standing Prettygate resident who lives just round the corner and has to pass the new 'Tesco' site in order to get home, i wonder who considered the impact this would have on the locals living close by? I for one frequently have to queue in my car in the 'bank queue' not because i want to go to the bank and am too lazy to walk but because i am driving home and the bank customers seem to think it is their right to block the road and remain across it until a car park space becomes available. So with limited parking this can only get worse , we all know that people today do not walk anywhere so cars will be littering the pavement and where are the delivery lorries going to park? At least the Co Op has a loading bay, although traffic has to stop while the lorry reverses in. I for one will be seriously wondering if my time in Prettygate is coming to an end and maybe we should move somewhere quieter. Yes, a Tesco store is a great idea, but we have the Co Op , we have Martins, the post office , the chinese etc. There is no need for another food store but more to the point the location does not have enough room for a store. Oh and by the way I am a Tesco shopper![/p][/quote]Ok catarina, we were also Tesco customers for fifteen plus years. Even did the van delivery thing. But then I started to check prices - see my mail above. Switched to sainsbury, but the new place is just too big. So we tried the co-op at five ways. It is brilliant! Friendly, not overwhelming, pricing ok but more importantly consistent. And there is the divi. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 2

10:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Boris says...

Horse wisperer wrote:
I take it this officer was sacked for this??
Don't be daft.
[quote][p][bold]Horse wisperer[/bold] wrote: I take it this officer was sacked for this??[/p][/quote]Don't be daft. Boris
  • Score: 4

11:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

The old see dog says...

The planning committee within the council is a law unto their-selves.They do not ask what the people want or think.

No end of times I have seen planning refused with the excuse "Its not in keeping with the area".

But is the golden banana or the new Magistrate court in keeping with the area they are within? No, but they were approved without question. The same thing happened with the bus station and Timperleys, and what happened to most of the clocks?

The people did not want them to go, but they did.

They do what they want when they want. All they want from us stones is more blood.
The planning committee within the council is a law unto their-selves.They do not ask what the people want or think. No end of times I have seen planning refused with the excuse "Its not in keeping with the area". But is the golden banana or the new Magistrate court in keeping with the area they are within? No, but they were approved without question. The same thing happened with the bus station and Timperleys, and what happened to most of the clocks? The people did not want them to go, but they did. They do what they want when they want. All they want from us stones is more blood. The old see dog
  • Score: 2

11:36pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Boris says...

sam vines wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.
How high up in the hierarchy is Andrew Tyrrell within the Planning department? Last time I looked, the head of planning was Sue Jackson, and her deputy was Vincent Pearce, and below him was Simon Cairns. If heads are to roll, it should be these people: the organ-grinders, not the monkeys.
As for the "Lib Dem dominated" planning committee, I was able to observe last autumn how they resisted the specious recommendations of Simon Cairns and Sue Jackson to allow the desecration of Jumbo. The committee are perfectly capable of spotting special pleading by senior officers. What they cannot do is spot incompetent or corrupt work by planning officers when these officers do not refer decisions to them.
The portfolio holder responsible for planning (used to be Tim Young, but I'm not sure who it is now) should now be giving orders to the planning department that every single application has to be decided on by the planning committee, given that the officers have failed in such a big way. This may mean that the committee has to sit every week, rather than once a fortnight. If they can't trust their officers to do a proper job, they will have to work longer hours to cover for them.
[quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?[/p][/quote]They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.[/p][/quote]How high up in the hierarchy is Andrew Tyrrell within the Planning department? Last time I looked, the head of planning was Sue Jackson, and her deputy was Vincent Pearce, and below him was Simon Cairns. If heads are to roll, it should be these people: the organ-grinders, not the monkeys. As for the "Lib Dem dominated" planning committee, I was able to observe last autumn how they resisted the specious recommendations of Simon Cairns and Sue Jackson to allow the desecration of Jumbo. The committee are perfectly capable of spotting special pleading by senior officers. What they cannot do is spot incompetent or corrupt work by planning officers when these officers do not refer decisions to them. The portfolio holder responsible for planning (used to be Tim Young, but I'm not sure who it is now) should now be giving orders to the planning department that every single application has to be decided on by the planning committee, given that the officers have failed in such a big way. This may mean that the committee has to sit every week, rather than once a fortnight. If they can't trust their officers to do a proper job, they will have to work longer hours to cover for them. Boris
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Mon 1 Sep 14

bubbles1869 says...

Well im prettygate resident and live almost oposite it. so is it really that bad thing once its open it will soon be forgotten about and there be something else to complain about just like it was at beginning of the year with the adult club opening on lexden road perhaps they should converted the charity shop into tesco as would look less of eyesore than it does now and maybe the staff would be more friendler as well
Well im prettygate resident and live almost oposite it. so is it really that bad thing once its open it will soon be forgotten about and there be something else to complain about just like it was at beginning of the year with the adult club opening on lexden road perhaps they should converted the charity shop into tesco as would look less of eyesore than it does now and maybe the staff would be more friendler as well bubbles1869
  • Score: 0

1:01am Tue 2 Sep 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Boris wrote:
Horse wisperer wrote:
I take it this officer was sacked for this??
Don't be daft.
Boris, you are right, but why? Is this a Cbc Teflon thing, or throughout council salaried services across the land.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Horse wisperer[/bold] wrote: I take it this officer was sacked for this??[/p][/quote]Don't be daft.[/p][/quote]Boris, you are right, but why? Is this a Cbc Teflon thing, or throughout council salaried services across the land. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 3

4:11am Tue 2 Sep 14

Shrubendlad says...

Boris wrote:
sam vines wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.
How high up in the hierarchy is Andrew Tyrrell within the Planning department? Last time I looked, the head of planning was Sue Jackson, and her deputy was Vincent Pearce, and below him was Simon Cairns. If heads are to roll, it should be these people: the organ-grinders, not the monkeys.
As for the "Lib Dem dominated" planning committee, I was able to observe last autumn how they resisted the specious recommendations of Simon Cairns and Sue Jackson to allow the desecration of Jumbo. The committee are perfectly capable of spotting special pleading by senior officers. What they cannot do is spot incompetent or corrupt work by planning officers when these officers do not refer decisions to them.
The portfolio holder responsible for planning (used to be Tim Young, but I'm not sure who it is now) should now be giving orders to the planning department that every single application has to be decided on by the planning committee, given that the officers have failed in such a big way. This may mean that the committee has to sit every week, rather than once a fortnight. If they can't trust their officers to do a proper job, they will have to work longer hours to cover for them.
Late night in London?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?[/p][/quote]They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.[/p][/quote]How high up in the hierarchy is Andrew Tyrrell within the Planning department? Last time I looked, the head of planning was Sue Jackson, and her deputy was Vincent Pearce, and below him was Simon Cairns. If heads are to roll, it should be these people: the organ-grinders, not the monkeys. As for the "Lib Dem dominated" planning committee, I was able to observe last autumn how they resisted the specious recommendations of Simon Cairns and Sue Jackson to allow the desecration of Jumbo. The committee are perfectly capable of spotting special pleading by senior officers. What they cannot do is spot incompetent or corrupt work by planning officers when these officers do not refer decisions to them. The portfolio holder responsible for planning (used to be Tim Young, but I'm not sure who it is now) should now be giving orders to the planning department that every single application has to be decided on by the planning committee, given that the officers have failed in such a big way. This may mean that the committee has to sit every week, rather than once a fortnight. If they can't trust their officers to do a proper job, they will have to work longer hours to cover for them.[/p][/quote]Late night in London? Shrubendlad
  • Score: -5

10:02am Tue 2 Sep 14

sam vines says...

bubbles1869 wrote:
Well im prettygate resident and live almost oposite it. so is it really that bad thing once its open it will soon be forgotten about and there be something else to complain about just like it was at beginning of the year with the adult club opening on lexden road perhaps they should converted the charity shop into tesco as would look less of eyesore than it does now and maybe the staff would be more friendler as well
That's it bubbles1869 its turned into another political spat. When the Dury Arms turned into a Sainsburys the doom and gloom brigade came out with wild claims that the independents nearby would be swallowed up by the ground and put out of business. However nothing has changed apart from the Dury Arms no longer looks an eyesore and safer pedestrian crossing system has been installed and people got jobs. The local independent shops still busy as ever. People who are loosing out over this spat are the unemployed.
[quote][p][bold]bubbles1869[/bold] wrote: Well im prettygate resident and live almost oposite it. so is it really that bad thing once its open it will soon be forgotten about and there be something else to complain about just like it was at beginning of the year with the adult club opening on lexden road perhaps they should converted the charity shop into tesco as would look less of eyesore than it does now and maybe the staff would be more friendler as well[/p][/quote]That's it bubbles1869 its turned into another political spat. When the Dury Arms turned into a Sainsburys the doom and gloom brigade came out with wild claims that the independents nearby would be swallowed up by the ground and put out of business. However nothing has changed apart from the Dury Arms no longer looks an eyesore and safer pedestrian crossing system has been installed and people got jobs. The local independent shops still busy as ever. People who are loosing out over this spat are the unemployed. sam vines
  • Score: 0

11:06am Tue 2 Sep 14

eponymous coward says...

Having had the pleasure of dealing with CBC planning department, the fact that someone in their employ was utterly incompetent does not surprise me. Also it does not surprise me that the solutions was "we will have a word" is the level of investigation and professionalism at play. Most of the employees in that department should be fired for incompetence, only we would end up paying for them in benefits.
Having had the pleasure of dealing with CBC planning department, the fact that someone in their employ was utterly incompetent does not surprise me. Also it does not surprise me that the solutions was "we will have a word" is the level of investigation and professionalism at play. Most of the employees in that department should be fired for incompetence, only we would end up paying for them in benefits. eponymous coward
  • Score: 0

11:56am Tue 2 Sep 14

Checkout says...

I think the points I've previously made about the incompetence of council directors and heads of service are proving more and more justified.
Shrubendlad, take care you do not become a "one trick pony". Your constant ranting about one political party come what may, are tiresome and usually without foundation.
I think the points I've previously made about the incompetence of council directors and heads of service are proving more and more justified. Shrubendlad, take care you do not become a "one trick pony". Your constant ranting about one political party come what may, are tiresome and usually without foundation. Checkout
  • Score: 4

12:07pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Boris says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Boris wrote:
sam vines wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER:
"A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree"
Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit?
At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?
They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.
How high up in the hierarchy is Andrew Tyrrell within the Planning department? Last time I looked, the head of planning was Sue Jackson, and her deputy was Vincent Pearce, and below him was Simon Cairns. If heads are to roll, it should be these people: the organ-grinders, not the monkeys.
As for the "Lib Dem dominated" planning committee, I was able to observe last autumn how they resisted the specious recommendations of Simon Cairns and Sue Jackson to allow the desecration of Jumbo. The committee are perfectly capable of spotting special pleading by senior officers. What they cannot do is spot incompetent or corrupt work by planning officers when these officers do not refer decisions to them.
The portfolio holder responsible for planning (used to be Tim Young, but I'm not sure who it is now) should now be giving orders to the planning department that every single application has to be decided on by the planning committee, given that the officers have failed in such a big way. This may mean that the committee has to sit every week, rather than once a fortnight. If they can't trust their officers to do a proper job, they will have to work longer hours to cover for them.
Late night in London?
It seems that, at 4.11 am, your night out was even later! Hope your are recovering OK.....
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sam vines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: ANDREW TYRRELL,PLANNING MANAGER: "A Judgement call based on a matter of fact and degree" Just how does permission to Increase the Units from 3 to 4 turn into 1 large Unit? At the risk of being accused by Boris (once again )of Lib Dem bashing-What has the Lib Dem dominated Planning Committee got to say about this Chap?[/p][/quote]They wont say anything about the planning committee due to family links to the local MP.[/p][/quote]How high up in the hierarchy is Andrew Tyrrell within the Planning department? Last time I looked, the head of planning was Sue Jackson, and her deputy was Vincent Pearce, and below him was Simon Cairns. If heads are to roll, it should be these people: the organ-grinders, not the monkeys. As for the "Lib Dem dominated" planning committee, I was able to observe last autumn how they resisted the specious recommendations of Simon Cairns and Sue Jackson to allow the desecration of Jumbo. The committee are perfectly capable of spotting special pleading by senior officers. What they cannot do is spot incompetent or corrupt work by planning officers when these officers do not refer decisions to them. The portfolio holder responsible for planning (used to be Tim Young, but I'm not sure who it is now) should now be giving orders to the planning department that every single application has to be decided on by the planning committee, given that the officers have failed in such a big way. This may mean that the committee has to sit every week, rather than once a fortnight. If they can't trust their officers to do a proper job, they will have to work longer hours to cover for them.[/p][/quote]Late night in London?[/p][/quote]It seems that, at 4.11 am, your night out was even later! Hope your are recovering OK..... Boris
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Wicky1 says...

The Colchester Council has a history of 'blunders' that fall in favour of large developers...

http://www.gazette-n
ews.co.uk/news/11084
764.MP_s_fury_over_p
rimary_school_cash/

http://www.gazette-n
ews.co.uk/archive/19
99/05/28/5529065.Col
chester__Furious_par
ents_unite_to_fight/
?ref=arc
The Colchester Council has a history of 'blunders' that fall in favour of large developers... http://www.gazette-n ews.co.uk/news/11084 764.MP_s_fury_over_p rimary_school_cash/ http://www.gazette-n ews.co.uk/archive/19 99/05/28/5529065.Col chester__Furious_par ents_unite_to_fight/ ?ref=arc Wicky1
  • Score: 0

11:56am Tue 9 Sep 14

Mislead says...

Me and the wife live next door to the redevelopment of the shops in cotman road.we are on the front line covered in dust and grinning and bearing it.when we were first told of the plans we were looking forward to the new shops.i signed legal papers to allow footings to be excavated bordering on my property after asking the surveyors for hills the builders was it going to be a tescos? It will never happen it would never get though planning!!! Hills profess that they care for prettygate , built most of it ,named roads after family members ! It was their baby !i am not moving but I don't think it is right that I should put up with the long hours tescos will be open the increased traffic .on the plans the footprint of building is larger and pushed forward with only four car spaces! Old sea dog go back to sleep when you wake up you could have a tescos next to ! Got to sign another legal document to allow a 100 foot crane to encroach my airspace.where do sign !!!
Me and the wife live next door to the redevelopment of the shops in cotman road.we are on the front line covered in dust and grinning and bearing it.when we were first told of the plans we were looking forward to the new shops.i signed legal papers to allow footings to be excavated bordering on my property after asking the surveyors for hills the builders was it going to be a tescos? It will never happen it would never get though planning!!! Hills profess that they care for prettygate , built most of it ,named roads after family members ! It was their baby !i am not moving but I don't think it is right that I should put up with the long hours tescos will be open the increased traffic .on the plans the footprint of building is larger and pushed forward with only four car spaces! Old sea dog go back to sleep when you wake up you could have a tescos next to ! Got to sign another legal document to allow a 100 foot crane to encroach my airspace.where do sign !!! Mislead
  • Score: 0
Post a comment

Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree